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Fabfilter or Sonnox eq,comp?
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Nickberber
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 01:35:06
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hello..i am between of fabfilter pro Q,Pro C and sonnox eq,comp...
Anyone using them? |
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 04:21
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 04:29
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fabfilter ,the interface/workflow for the eq is amazing + it have linear phase if you need it. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 04:40
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It's what you like more ,a coloured sound than use sth else than sonnox and than it's maybe interesting to check the differences in colouration when you test other eqs to find what colouration you like the most.
I like urs comps or sonEq,don't like fabfilter stuff at all ,that's just my subjective taste.
When it comes to eq sonnox is the most clean it does not add anything else just boosts your original colour from the track(synth or whatever) you have sonnox on.
Also the sonnox compressor is leaves your sound colour pretty original.
I think they are so expensive because they are pretty linear..besides the fact that they got other algorithms to choose aswell..
FOr bass and maybe kick I would prefer some colouration like from sonEq or urs but that is all subjective.
And often the native eq from logic does it for me.
Mostly I like to add bass from analoge console eq, this year I can use it and use it pretty often.But when cut I prefere to use eqs from the digital world.
Try it demo it,this are two worlds.Sonnox is a killer tool for sure though.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 04:42
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fabilter eq is very clean too, i guess it sound identical to the sonnox like most other digital clean eq. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 04:50
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my impression was always that sonnox is the most clean with a huge distance to any else eq.But it is really sth subjective I think.
I will give fabfilter some new try at some point,but I alraedy tried some things from it and I didn't like it personaly.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 04:58
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yes maybe you re right it s long time i haven t used the sonnox but usually all clean minimum phase eq can sound identical when matching the curves .(but often don t use same Q value and sometimes Q ratio to cut/boost so you need a analyzer to really match them or use 2 tracks t,phase invert one and tweak them until they null)
the urs should sound identical or very close to the sonnox when the curves are matched too,as far as i know there is no harmnonics added or anyhting, the soneq is more a real emulation .
the interface matter a lot for eq,you will make different choice depending of the interface and that probably why you like the urs,i like the ssl chanel strip for this but a freeware eq can sound identical when the curve are matched.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 05:42
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the guy who made the soneq analyzed many of these eq ,if i remmeber psp squad ,equality and soneq, have all analog like bell phase and filter but not the sonnox , fabfilter behave a bit more like ananlog eq,urs less than both... i guess in the highs theire curve get deformed getting closer to nyquist (have no idea about all the technical stuff but it s noticable on some eqs) it don t make them worst but the others 3 behave like analog eq there |
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 07:51
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from what i remember: lowcutting with sonnoxEQ is not really what its for. copy the settings of your first one and add a second one with these setting and you will notice a difference. but they are good for mids and highs, no doubts. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 13:13
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Id say the opposite : cutting is perfect on sonnox and boosting is maybe more 'interesting' on other eq's.I'm sure I'll get tonight back on this topic meanwhice I'll get an occasion to get some scientific responses on this area.I once heard from a 'mathematical psychopath' from digital technique area and electro accoustic area that almost no eq is linear.That is the reason why when you have a mastered song and you lowcut with almost all eq you get no reduction but even a gain.This guy who told me this,builds high end compressors etc in his free time.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 13:44
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there is not much difference in clean digital eq, boosting or cutting is almsot the same on all eq... it s placebo or Q to Db ratio.with one eq i matched waves api,ssl,epure,sonnox and way more to null or almost null ,most clean minimum phase eq sound almost the same and i guess it s impossible to hear the difference with the same curve on 2 of these eq cause it s around -50db or even lower , from good freeware to urs with a nice looking interface costing a arm and a legg they can sound as good .
look on the net for digital eq fact and myth a guy tought the time to explain it well with some graph .
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 22:37
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Excuse-moi mon ami PoM ,mais ce n'est pas correcte. I had french some years ago  very bad I know hehe.
You don't need to believe me of course not.But the truth is that 1. almost no eq is a linear one ,its a master work to program a linear eq very complex area.
2. urs is not linear.
3. Linear eq is for example in logic studio ,it is 40 times that hard for cpu as the normal eq of logic which is great for mixing.
.. imagine also that - 200 tracks with logic normal eq is the same as 5 tracks with linear phase eq - for the cpu.
These kind of eq's is for mastering not for mixing.
We could and we can discuss it much longer.This is the truth.
We never want a linear eqing,infact we like eq's because they sound different,if they would be all linear they would sound the same.
Linear eq is actually only for mastering to take out some frequencies without affecting these one that lies as neighbours.
I hope you dont take it as like think of me as a smartass.I have really discuss it with an expert on this topic that know all these guys even,Im hungry as fuck maybe it is not so nicely written so excuse me really.
I respect you very much dont take it as smartassness from me.
Tbh .. I have to ask if sonnox is even really linear I haven't.I remember there are lots of eqs that use in thier gui words like linear but this does not mean it is literary so.I think I will write my end work with it of linearity between analogue and digital eq's based on proves and measurements sth like this,I like this topic.
A link for a graph would be nice ! I cannot imagine my teacher know all these guys personal,if from steinberg or all authors of scientific audio engineering books from germany and even not only in germany.I believe him but if you have some link anything bro please dont hesitate so I'd show him these.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 00:26
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dont worry man i always say lot of bullshit in my posts but i realize it later hahaha but from how i underdtand it, there is just a few algoryhtms, or few way to do a good digital eq that why the well done one sound almost all the same except if some modlleing or other stuff have been involved to make it sound different.
sonnox is not linear phase ,it s a standart minimum phase eq that i guess sound like the donationware iieq you can get for 1 euro ,this one could be better cause i think the curves don t get deformed the more you are close to nyquist(but the sonnox ahev choice of different q/db ratio with more 1 mode2 ...) if there is difference in sound it will be very close and for sure dont justify the price for me(could be wrong cause i dont remember much the sonnox,but i m almost 90% sure of that)
even some of the uad eqs that are praised have nothing special.
i choose my eq cause of workflow and interface the one that give me the best result in the less time, sound is not a issue with most eq except if you are looking for color ,analog modeling but there most of of the eq just have the interface modeled and nothing in the code,it need a lot of cpu to model a eq with no compromise,some coloring one it would probably take all the power of the top current cpu just for using few bands |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 01:22
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linear phase and minimum phase are different design so we can t compare them,the eq i mentioned are standart phase eq to show they can sound close or identical.
i mentieoned some that behave more like analog eq in term of curve and phase than the sonnox and fabfilter too(i havent testet them by muyself so i dont like to claim this but the one who did know whay more than me about eq) .
it dont make the sonnox or fabilter worst, one of my favorite eq the closer it get to nyquist the curve are deformed, the q become very large it s strange and do not behave like a analog eq.. but in fact i like that ,it can be usefull sometimes.
i don t talk about hp and lp filters but just about bells ,for hp and lp it depends the kind of filter used ,some eq comme with few different choice of hp/lp filter (Bessel filter ,gaussian ect..)they all behave different. |
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Jan 21, 2011 06:47
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I use Fabfilter Pro-Q for a most of my EQing. To be it sounds the best from what I've tried.
The limiter is also a very nice one. It's a bit CPU heavy but to me offers a lot more to my personal flow.
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