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Extreme FM in Psy production
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Cybero
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 00:18:32
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Hello experienced producers and artist out here.
I am on a new quest and bound to explore the effects LFO's make to produce distinctive FM sounds and leads which are core and typical for Psy production. One bespoke producer told me that random LFO's produce these.....I cannot possibly imagine how many more months of frustration, sleeples nights and days experimenting I am gonna have to spend to decode these secrets....
I wonder if someone out here could provide me with another hints?
Many thanks in advance |
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orange
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 00:20
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Cybero
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 00:30
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Yes that's right...he might have well bulshited me but, I'm not surprised tbh |
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orange
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 00:34
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Cybero
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 00:40
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I know Billys presets but this is not what I'm looking for.... |
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orange
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 00:45
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 01:33
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Well, first of all you need a synth with a decent FM engine in it.
Just because something has an LFO does not mean that it goes very high into audio range or can be effectively used for FM. The most effective FM sounds I've made have been made out of modulating oscillators with other oscillators, not modulating an oscillator with an LFO.
The Operator instrument that comes with Ableton is very good at FM sounds, as is Albino, Zebra and FM8.
Do you know some of the basics of FM synthesis already or are you just diving in? Do you know about 'correct' intervals and whatnot?
Oh, and about those secrets - sleepless nights and *years is more like it 
 If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp
www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records |
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Cybero
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 02:23
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Thanks guys, I guess I know some of the basics of FM synthesis, and I have a very good understanding of audio, electrical principles and acoustics.
When you say "correct intervals" what do you have on your mind in particular (maybe I might have a clue) just not sure.
Albino and FM8 are in my arsenal already...just looked onto Zebra and that looks very much as the Reaktor, except it looks more organised IMO. Will get that one too
Oh what I'm after when it comes, listen to Master Blasters - Temple Ball, plenty of that goodnes in there, also M-Theory - Whisper, sounds like distorted guitar but its not a electro guitar but an FM based kind of sound, the one that makes you go mad when you trance your socks off..... |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 02:31
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Idk if I'm using the correct terms, I think I meant to say ratio
you know, it'd probably just be easier for you to watch this video as this guy knows his shit more than I do:
http://insidesynthesis.blogspot.com/2008/02/episode-four-fm-synthesis-part-1.html
what I'm referring to with ratios/intervals is using a 1:1, 2:1, 3:1 ratio as opposed to 1:1.63, 1:4.3 etc
So modulating a triangle wave with a sawtooth wave for example...modulating with a sawtooth that's the same note, or one whole octave above will net something that sounds much less dissonant than a sawtooth that's say, 6 semitones above the triangle wave
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp
www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records |
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Cybero
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 02:39
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Food for my thought, thank you Will have a hearty play in the morning when I go home |
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telekom youth
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 04:43
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Their is a random LFO wave function on some of the more high end plugins, Albino, Surge, probably some other ones.It mostly sounds like shit though depending on what you use it for and how slow your sync rate is.
http://soundcloud.com/tactile-one |
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Cybero
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 22:06
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Well well well, Willsanquills hint seems to work and I've made my own FM lead today...haven't had much more time to sit on it, but modulating an Oscilator with others seems to yield the desired sound, I cannot even possbly imagine what I'm gonna get when I sit on it good few days in a row ;-) |
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orgytime
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 22:57
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there are no secrets... why would you need random lfo? i know some plugs they can do this, and it sucks for cutoff. automate it for perfection...
check the mother of all leads thread...
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Apr 21, 2011 01:08
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On 2011-04-20 04:43, telekom youth wrote:
Their is a random LFO wave function on some of the more high end plugins, Albino, Surge, probably some other ones.It mostly sounds like shit though depending on what you use it for and how slow your sync rate is.
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it has its purpose.FOr instance you can bring more vividness to pads with random waveform on lfo.Layering is the thing and in parts whre the pad is most dominant its brilliant to have such layer with slow subtle lfo random wave to pitch or to osc wave or maybe to sth else.In ambient very nice,with lots of layers.
https://soundcloud.com/shivagarden |
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Cybero
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Posted : Apr 21, 2011 02:02
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On 2011-04-20 22:57, orgytime wrote:
there are no secrets... why would you need random lfo? i know some plugs they can do this, and it sucks for cutoff. automate it for perfection...
check the mother of all leads thread...
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I can't find this thread anywhere on this forum, which pluginz do you have on your mind ? |
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