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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 04:29:26
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Im trying out some experiments on making my basslines more percussive and dynamic through the use of expander's rather than compression..
I waS wonderin the best ones out there? flux solairs seems preety good as you can use the De expander to compliment the Upward expansion... set right can get me punchy results with a tight sampled from synth and faded 1/16 rolling bass note ..
They work In the same way as gates,infact Downward expanders are refereed to as gates, but rather than controlling "noise" i wana have full control of certain dynamics using upward and downward together
are there any others out there that has applied this and had a bassline that rocked the room with this method?
other good expander Hardware/software?
i do not mean upward compression by the way .
basically want to use Upward and downward expander in a chain for special dynamic effects rather than squashing the beejesus out of it as my envelopes and velocities are ready and set for the expansion groove rather than a compressed one 
cheers
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 05:48
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expander and upward compression is the same thing... being that when the signal reaches a certain threshold, it will increase the volume by a given - proporcional - ratio.
I think what you're looking for could be best achieved using a transient shaper (like NI's transient master) to either enhance or attenuate the attack of the sound while also being able to either make it tighter by reducing the sustain value, or the other way around.
But yes, such things can be done with compressors/expanders to. Point is, if you raise the attack portion of a sound or if you lower the rest of it, allowing the attack to pass untouched, it's almost the same thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong, you actually enjoy the snappy character of a bassline. So note-to-note compression would be easier, but this includes the need to sample your bassline afterwards if you need to be sure every note plays the same; in other words, you're just going for this change in volume between attack and body of the sound, perhaps even some coloration to (with some compressors, not all), rather then using the compressor/expander to react on the overall dynamics of a phrase. That's one of many uses for dynamics tolls and worth experimenting with.
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PsYmOrPh
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 06:12
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use Lfotool u can modulate the evelope cutoff,resonance,volume and pan ... best tool ever |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 17:28
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hmm i thought they were entirely different .. my sources must be wrong then...
yeh thats it , i am sampling different hit and feels , even mayb widening one of them...
as for the expander,always a smart arse...
i dont wana transient shaper...
the effects i was gettin using expander was much different to upward comp and transient masters.... ok |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 17:59
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psymorph... if u own vst Surge , no need. LFO are assignaBLE TO EVERYTHING
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 20:43
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with an upward compressor the whole signal will be shaped... where as the expander can set at different rages to be shaped! so there is a slight difference
Downward compression reduces loud sounds over a certain threshold while quiet sounds remain unaffected. Upward compression increases the loudness of sounds below a threshold while leaving louder passages unchanged. Both downward and upward compression reduce the dynamic range of an audio signal.[2]
An expander performs the opposite function, increasing the dynamic range of the audio signal.[3] Expanders are generally used to make quiet sounds even quieter by reducing the level of an audio signal that falls below a set threshold level. A noise gate is a type of expander.[2] sources from "Verity of sound"
so back to the importaint part of this thread instead of trying to constantly undermine what things are and not...
Expanders on a bassline...No freesb not transient shaper, i read that expanders can make your bass breathe with dynamics if set correctly...
sod it nevermind :-( |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 22:00
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On 2014-03-07 17:28, jizy wrote:
as for the expander,always a smart arse...
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seriously?
a gate does that: reduces the signal under the threshold, was usually used to clear noise away from a signal in recordings but can be used to tighten up stuff as well, think that's what you're pleased with atm. I said the result is the same, and it is, if you raise the attack portion of a sound or attenuate the other part of it, you'll get the same kind of dynamic and it's very similar to what you get with a transient master, altough different, but all different strokes on the very same thing.
I don't see how giving an opinion, even with stuff you can try out - if you haven't already - can be interpreted like that... but what do you know? some people get offended in the most surprising of ways. you should care about other stuff more you know? your example the other day sounds rubish. so there there... take it easy |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 22:05
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i kno it sounded rubbish , a chain i will not b using again!.. over processed tierd earphone ears and vb1 for ya,"hey do u wana kno whats magic? the fact that i know it sounded shite!!"...
feel good now? lol
there was no opinion... i had tried it and liked it and wondered if there r others ... |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 22:32
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yeah, I feel good... but wasn't that though, what was it? can't remember now, hmmm... yeah, weed! do you like upwards or downwards weed btw? XD |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 22:37
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indicas.... downwardz i guess
u should try what i mean before u slag it off.. get that example away from your ego because VB1 requries to much maintenance, and well, i failed.... i over did it like some Chick From Essex! and if your talking about Psytrye he's my alter ego, i have split personalities LMFAO |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 22:50
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On 2014-03-07 22:37, jizy wrote:
indicas.... downwardz i guess
u should try what i mean before u slag it off.. get that example away from your ego because VB1 requries to much maintenance, and well, i failed.... i over did it like some Chick From Essex! and if your talking about Psytrye he's my alter ego, i have split personalities LMFAO
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I could tell all the way...
regardless, what you're trying to do here is pointless. and could just as easily turn the game around and then we'd see who gets mad. you can't really shake a person that feels confident, know what I mean?
now go look in the mirror...
you know, just by looking at wavelab's 3d graph confirmed what I thought: this comes from the exact same person. same errors.
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 22:53
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lol... I read that expanders can have awsome effects on a bassline,what is your fukin problem with this freesbi head... i gues its in the name, not atal smart arse, ya see same pic on cloud ya idiot,, man,sed it was me in vb1 thread ya fukin idiot u aINT discovered anything
now gimme a fukin brake
which errors are these then? because kick and bass has no processing, i didnt make the kick ya fuken bullshitter
i can use that profile to tell people like u how it iz.. confident, na just ful of it. |
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 23:01
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On 2014-03-07 22:53, jizy wrote:
lol... I read that expanders can have awsome effects on a bassline,what is your fukin problem with this freesbi head... i gues its in the name, not atal smart arse, ya see same pic on cloud ya idiot,, man,sed it was me in vb1 thread ya fukin idiot u aINT discovered anything
now gimme a fukin brake
which errors are these then? because kick and bass has no processing, i didnt make the kick ya fuken bullshitter
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM_8PiSMpTs
getting windy r we? |
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jizy
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Posted : Mar 7, 2014 23:03
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man..
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jizy
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