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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 09:33
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On 2010-10-03 21:19, daark wrote:
nice gear
but it actualy doesn't sound better than digital it just looks cool.
It definitely sounds different. There is no software that has this sound, as the Buchla can't sound like a Virus (which is something I can definitely live without).
You started that other thread asking about good sounding saw, oscillator. Have you ever heard the Buchla VCOs?, have you ever heard even a bog standard CEM 3340 chip based VCO? That is a saw sound that made me shit my pants first time I heard it, still does today.
The thing is that most n00bs today, disregard analog gear, as luxury, something that costs a lot, looks cool, but does not sound better than the last Vanguard or fuck knows what soft synth they downloaded.
If you ever have the chance to sit in a studio with some nice analog modular synths, you will appreciate the sound and the mood they put you in, with their "cool" looks and cumbersome interface.
Patching cables and no memory is very impractical, but at least it wasn't random tweaking, people actually thought patches through a lot better before connecting audio and CV cables to the next module, instead of downloading the latest dArK_PsY_cRaZy_FM patch for albino...
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Posted : Oct 4, 2010 18:27
Lol, I don't think that ppl will pay what costs a Buchla just because it looks cool :0)
I have a lot of fun with my modular synth and I can't find any vst that sounds like that.
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Posted : Oct 5, 2010 06:14
i use vstis. i use presets from time to time, even, with minimal modifications even. honestly, i love analog gear and would probably buy a nord, say, if i had the cash at the moment, but...
after spending 1 day at a buddy's recording studio full of analog gems old and new, i can say that without a doubt the sound that comes out of those things is amazing. he has a 303 and i spent about an hour just cranking patterns out through a tube amplifier, and then spent the rest of the entire day screwing around with his Modcan modules.... just fucking around teaching myself loads as I went, I learned about as much about synthesis as I ever had at that point, and to boot made more enticing sounds than I could possibly record in a day.
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Posted : Oct 5, 2010 07:14
i base it on expereince . all this fus bout virus and nord made me check them out and led to bigggg disapointment .hardware are very limited and expensive(two or 3 oscs ,3 o 4 waveforms).zeta has more to offer.
it should sound better but there is no difference as your ear can't tell differences like that its is like comparing mp3 to wav, there is no audible difference, unless the mp3 is too lame.
of course for liveshows it is easier to use hardware.
and if give one of those hardware i wouldnt complain
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Posted : Oct 5, 2010 10:07
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On 2010-10-05 07:14, daark wrote:
i base it on expereince . all this fus bout virus and nord made me check them out and led to bigggg disapointment .hardware are very limited and expensive(two or 3 oscs ,3 o 4 waveforms).zeta has more to offer.
So you base your analog experiences on the Virus and the Nord? The Virus and the Lead have nothing to do with analogue, they are both software synths in an external box, running off their own CPU. And the number of oscillators/polyphony means nothing, its the quality of the oscillators that matters.
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it should sound better but there is no difference as your ear can't tell differences like that its is like comparing mp3 to wav, there is no audible difference, unless the mp3 is too lame.
Wrong again, its not a matter of resolution in the sound, its a matter of analog synths' VCOs, filters, amps, ADSRs, having their own imperfect characteristics that give their distinct character...i.e. the 303 square wave oscillator, have you ever seen it through an oscilloscope? it look like two saw waves, where one is phase inverted, as opposed to a proper square wave algorithm, made by a massive amount of odd FFT fractions to get as "vertical" up and down walls.
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Its funny how all hardware synth threads revolves around a nord virus , must be a virus? how limiting..
And for the guy above a nord is NOT analog and never was...
"it should sound better but there is no difference as your ear can't tell differences like that its is like comparing mp3 to wav, there is no audible difference, unless the mp3 is too lame. "
Mp3 to wave wtf??
Clearly you are misinformed from watchin too many youtube videos, that or your conclusion is an excuse cuz you cant afford it =)
There is a big difference(night and day) between
analog VS virtual analog VS vst .
Analog in the context of modulars will blow your monitors away from the moment you patch a chord, ever wondered what people refered to fat? well its here and you dont need to spend time on beefing up a sound . They usually have a large frequency spectrum so intricate details from a sound can be carved out rather then boosted as is the case with most of these thin sounding vsts. You make a patch today and come back tommorow and it doesnt sound the same. Lastly the possibilities and textures are beyond infinite with these monsters and nothing sounds like them in the virtual world. A fitting comparision would be a Buchla and a Moog modular.
Modular Usage : If there is anyone in this scene who has worked extensively deep on modulars racks and almost nobody else comes to mind, its Astral projection, you gotta give em credit for those huge sounding tracks they made as opposed to their Ipod Gigs =)
Unfortunately the Cem3340 chip is near impossible to find now , even Doepfer scrapped their module for the lack of it. One analog synth that comes to mind is the6 voice Oberheim Xpander featuring the 3340 and 3320 built in 1984, it had 6 individual ouputs so each voice could be played in mono too , it featured a extensive modulation matrix way way ahead of its time. The same mod matrix is now featured in the Virus ... Go figure!
I speak from first hand experience!
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Posted : Oct 5, 2010 11:12
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Unfortunately the Cem3340 chip is near impossible to find now , even Doepfer scrapped their module for the lack of it. One analog synth that comes to mind is the6 voice Oberheim Xpander featuring the 3340 and 3320 built in 1984, it had 6 individual ouputs so each voice could be played in mono too , it featured a extensive modulation matrix way way ahead of its time. The same mod matrix is now featured in the Virus ... Go figure!
I speak from first hand experience!
I have a Doepfer A-111 3340 VCO module! Its the one after the two standard A-110 VCOs
