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Serag
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 20:26:33
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In this times where is so difficult to release music cause labels are loosing money all the time and therefore artists dont get payed, i have thought in a way to solve it so everybody will have what everybody needs without putting is jeopardy any of the parts, the artists and the labels.
in order to make a compilation,
instead of waiting for the label to buy the tracks, the artist would cooperate with 150 euros to make it happen.
the label manager would coordinate all and materialize it.
10 artists is 1500 euros that u can use in many intelligent ways like paying art printing and some advertisement.
artists would have promotion which eventually would bring them the gigs which thats why artists make music so they can play outside their countries right?
and also after sales they would recover their 150 euros plus an extra percentage of the sales of coarse.
what do u think about this plan?
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demoniac
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 20:38
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 20:49
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He's saying that the artist pay for the compilation to be released themselves rather than the label.
Good luck getting 10 artist to collaborate on something like this (let alone front the money for it)...
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 21:11
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The old story about artist getting gigs if only the do A+B+C is utopia. First it was sooooo easy if they only would add something to the CD releases. Result UTOPIA. Then if only they would release it for free. Result UTOPIA. I do not know how many times this has been debated and people come up with the usual IF ONLY YOU DO...... Reality is that very few artists will get bookings (especially bookings they can live off) simply because the organizers want to attract as many visitors as possible and by that most of the time bring the top names party after party, festival after festival, year after year. Artists who these days has such a huge fee that it drain the overall budget preventing the less known artists, but equal as talented, from getting any gigs unless they play for free. It's a vicious circle and I do not see it change any time. Let's face it. It's all about who's "popular" and not so much about diversity and quality any longer. Yes some big names make nice music but the fact is also that way too many, especially the festivals, bring the same names year after year which in my opinion kill diversity and prevent new names to get their chance.
MY 2 cent rant 
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Stregone
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Posted : Jun 22, 2010 23:19
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you r right beat agency!!!
That's exactly what happen, except, some people can get into the circle:
one name I have in mind is ajja, but there are others as well.... wizard twizack and others too, guys who weren't in the circle and now palay on big festivals, of course not withn the same book as hallucinogen or gms, but they turn on the big events...
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 05:16
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Personally I don't really see the point of pressing CDs anymore. seems like 95% of the time you lose money anyways...you restrict your audience...waste energy and resources on the physical product that people are just going to put in their computer once in order to transfer stuff to their ipod...
why do that if you can cut costs and just release for free online with donation?
the old structure of the music business is dead. adapt.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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supergroover
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 10:52
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If you don't pay the artist a release doesnt have to cost more than 2500 euro's. That is 500 cd's you need to sell for 5,-. Should still be possible if you give it your best shot. No need for the artists to pay as well. But you really need to do your best. Just a post in the isratrance cd section won't cut it..
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 11:04
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if you expect to make money from art while you are alive you can wait in the que..your art will truly be appreciated only after you are dead till then work on it and distribute it for free
and make sure to create a contrevercy around your death When death comes to your doorstep, make sure you are alive |
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V3NOM
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 11:43
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Boo!
I like to get live & mixed sets done professionally on cd with good mastering, but this is rare in this scene n;' much more common in the chillout/ambient n' DnB type scenes...
I never by trance music anymore simply because I haven't really found anything that I've paid for post 2000 except for some mixed compilations were worth owning, let alone playing at a gig!
I'm slowly selling off my cd's from this scene cheap on eBay coz I know people won't really pay a lot, but $5-10AUD is more than what second hands shops pay which is zero because they also admit that this scene musically has pretty much gone down the crapper and no-one buys them at least in Aussie land second hand.
I think if this scene is going to last it needs a massive MASSIVE cleansing of soooo much of what is being release in all the many sub-genres & associated labels... There really is f*cking waaaay to much crapola... and from what I see psyshop & saikosounds are surviving ok so someone is buy some of those damn cd's every week...
I just think there is much too much quantity than quality in this scene and it's dead... sorry to any artist's who are offended but this year I have listened to psy trance maybe 2 times... chillout a bit more but not much... DnB & heavy metal & Dubstep all the time as it's still quality tunes being put out, still well made and well packaged and true value for money.
I can see why many acts are moving out of this music into more commercial stuff...
just my rant.
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kriz
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 13:00
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Remy [POF]
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On 2010-06-22 20:26:33, Serag wrote:
In this times where is so difficult to release music cause labels are loosing money all the time and therefore artists dont get payed, i have thought in a way to solve it so everybody will have what everybody needs without putting is jeopardy any of the parts, the artists and the labels.
in order to make a compilation,
instead of waiting for the label to buy the tracks, the artist would cooperate with 150 euros to make it happen.
the label manager would coordinate all and materialize it.
10 artists is 1500 euros that u can use in many intelligent ways like paying art printing and some advertisement.
artists would have promotion which eventually would bring them the gigs which thats why artists make music so they can play outside their countries right?
and also after sales they would recover their 150 euros plus an extra percentage of the sales of coarse.
what do u think about this plan?
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you forgot that the compilation is not going to sell because nobody is buying music and you nobody would get their money back. releasing a track on a compilation wont give you gigs, it doesn't really have that big of an impact, albums do though.
my 2 cent go digital everyone is anyway, cd is dead live with it.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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Serag
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 15:22
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so people buy digital?
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kriz
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 15:51
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Remy [POF]
Principles Of Flight
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 17:15
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people do buy digital, and from the labels i know those sells have actually taken over the CD sells the latest 6 months. but that's also because the CD sells are horrible. digital sells aren't great but at least you wont end up losing money on it.
On 2011-03-08 23:13, moki wrote:
listening only to free music is like having the free possibility to satisfy yourself with thousends of different free sexual acts. |
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Ascension
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Posted : Jun 23, 2010 17:50
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I would think most labels have a good idea of how many cds theyll sell, so why not print a limited batch of cds and put it for sale online? Seems to me like the whole "limited" stamp encourages more people to buy (cds, tickets for parties, other commercial sales), which would help the label to actually sell all the cds printed, but still be able to make money on the release through digital sales.
Anyone tried this? It seems like most labels are trying to do what they can to minimize losses while pulling in a profit, rather than expecting to sell higher quantities, maybe this is one way?
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