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Everything popular is wrong: Making it in electronic music, despite democratization
Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 04:56:28
This is one of the best music industry articles I have read in a while... though I'd share it here to prompt some discussion
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Stefan Goldmann on why Web 2.0 can work for you but won’t for most, where all the money went and how working against the market consensus can be a winning strategy.
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 08:07
I agree with it, but i Think we are still in the transition stage from the old to the new music economy.
Graphical design, animation, video games face the same problems, still they are adapting.
What I really feel it hurts more is the live events, they are getting boring and boring and other scenes are starting also to expriment the effects of "live acts", its very bad thing for the public experience.
"The dedication to repetition — the search for nirvana in a single held tone or an endlessly cycling rhythm — is one of electronic music's noblest gestures."
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 09:58
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On 2011-04-18 08:07, Login wrote:
What I really feel it hurts more is the live events, they are getting boring and boring and other scenes are starting also to expriment the effects of "live acts", its very bad thing for the public experience.
What do you mean by that?
(Didnt have time yet to read the article. So my bad if it is explained there.. )
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 12:02
Nice article, although I fail to see how
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the freedom experienced in creating music to your own criteria first and even “against the market”
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no day jobs allowed unless you are a grossly overpaid consultant for a few hours a month
Great article indeed, with some interesting insights and visions, thanks Alexander
Thinking about future releases and productions...
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 14:48
The author article in my opinion forgot to talk about the absolute absence of any type of personalized quality filter that is actually easy to use and helps you not lose a single release you like. You can go on beatport and pick all the artists and labels you like that you want, but you are still going to miss tracks you like and furthermore in this way you will still have to listen to over 500 tracks a week and only really like 20 of them. A service like Beatler (only for Mac unfortunately) seems already like a step in the right direction, but I think the solution has to be more radical. I have something in my mind, but as Stefan Goldmann pointed out labels and artists are just too scared to try something different, rather than realize that if they don't it is going to just get worse and worse.
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Posted : Apr 18, 2011 15:01
wow, it was super informative, thx a lot for this Alex, a Light at the end of the Tunnel it's waiting for those who Dare to Think Different ...
One reaction I had was the increasing importance of music discovery mechanisms to help artists and listeners navigate in the new music ecosystems. Forums like IsraTrance and PsyNews; websites like Ektoplazm and Neogoa. Nobody misses the major label gatekeepers, but we all benefit from efficient and trustworthy methods to discover good music from out of the huge volume of new releases every day.
Furthermore, by facilitating (usually) informed feedback from engaged listeners, I'd like to think that such mechanisms help artists improve their skills and music. To a certain extent, constructive criticism is a form of appreciation and payment.
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Posted : Apr 19, 2011 23:49
Fascinating read. Perhaps on a very small scale, Perfect Stranger and Psykovsky could be examples of this. But I share the skepticism expressed above regarding the "no day jobs" idea.
http://soundcloud.com/herbert-quain
"Or let’s consider falling back in history — music only in the presence of its creator. No release. Come to the concert. Enthusiasm will be back when you get this feeling of attending something really special. How to create this feeling for the audience is the core task of the creatives, if they deserve that name."
Make an albums worth of music but only release an EPs worth of it online - and only play the full album out at events.
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Posted : Apr 20, 2011 11:53
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On 2011-04-20 10:52, LuneCell wrote:
Interesting article- I liked this thought:
"Or let’s consider falling back in history — music only in the presence of its creator. No release. Come to the concert. Enthusiasm will be back when you get this feeling of attending something really special. How to create this feeling for the audience is the core task of the creatives, if they deserve that name."
Make an albums worth of music but only release an EPs worth of it online - and only play the full album out at events.
Yeah, but that only works if you already have a following, like
radiohead could totally pull that off. But if no one knows you because you havent released anything no one will come to your shows.
On 2011-04-20 10:52, LuneCell wrote:
Interesting article- I liked this thought:
"Or let’s consider falling back in history — music only in the presence of its creator. No release. Come to the concert. Enthusiasm will be back when you get this feeling of attending something really special. How to create this feeling for the audience is the core task of the creatives, if they deserve that name."
Make an albums worth of music but only release an EPs worth of it online - and only play the full album out at events.
Yeah, but that only works if you already have a following, like
radiohead could totally pull that off. But if no one knows you because you havent released anything no one will come to your shows.
Or you make yourself known as a live band, there are plenty of examples of that, kinda like the entire Jam-band scene
Yes, having a following before trying this would be the thing to do.
Or the artist could make remixes of their tracks (or play out the stems differently each time) - Every time I've seen Ekoplex live he's played a different mix of this tune
