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Wire_Conex
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 18:37:14
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Im like 8 months having a lot of trouble to make a nice Bass LIne at ESM (logic Vst).
Its realy hard, the same midi never sounds the same so there is no how to know if the bass line its perfect.
Its realy hard, if some 1 could give me some tips I will be realy realy realy glad.
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vegetal
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 18:43
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Kaz
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 19:15
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On 2008-08-27 18:43, vegetal wrote:
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 Wow 8 month old babies can write text and make basslines on computers, Impressive  |
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No, they can't. That's why we have this thread 
To the point:
ESM is a very simple synth. If you are having problems with phase stability issues, I'd recommend that you bounce&add the bassline after you are happy with the general sound. Only then EQ, compress and otherwise process the bassline (as audio). Generally speaking though, this will make your life easier when trying to get as high a volume with your mix as possible, but shouldn't matter other than some very short peaks - which you shouldn't worry about before the mixdown phase, but I have heard some people that find ESM much more reliable sound-wise that way.
This could also be an issue with your sound system - creating a simple single oscillator bassline sound is usually very much a matter of playback accuracy. If your speakers are lacking in the 40-60Hz range (or if you have a cheap sub), simple bass work is hell.
Of course, this is assuming your problem is with the sound of ESM on it's own, not as used in a track.
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Partzi Floch
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 19:33
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On 2008-08-27 19:15, Kaz wrote:
bounce&add the bassline after you are happy with the general sound. Only then EQ, compress and otherwise process the bassline (as audio).
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Yup. Sampling it is the way to go.
Record few notes of the ESM, pick up the ones you like, chop and edit, place in a sampler of your choice and hey presto, you got an ESM bassline  |
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Wire_Conex
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 22:05
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Something that I discovered this week its that there is not how to put 0 atack in the ESM, the wave aways go up then down.
Psytrance basslines realy need atack 0, the wave must stay inside the 1/16, no more, no less,
The wave amplutude stays aways like:
3-5-4-3-2-1 (some ms of atack)
What I want is:
5-4-3-2-1 (0 atrack)
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Nerdkiller
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 22:22
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If u find it really hard to tweak its parameters then maybe u should follow their advice and chop a sample out of it and then trim it so it sounds the way u want it to.
I've already had to chop off a few sounds out of one of sytrus presets since back then I had no idea how to configure it.( ya i know it was lame =[ ) |
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AvS
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Posted : Aug 27, 2008 23:19
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Jesus christ stop this sampling insanity! It's like the lowcut-everything-syndrome v2.0
Dude, don't worry about every note not sounding the same. Write a good bassline. |
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_Crispy_
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Posted : Aug 28, 2008 00:02
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Wire_Conex
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Posted : Aug 28, 2008 00:31
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Yup, MUST sample ESM, unless that you dont want to make a profesional record. |
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Partzi Floch
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Posted : Aug 28, 2008 01:01
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On 2008-08-28 00:31, Wire_Conex wrote:
Yup, MUST sample ESM, unless that you dont want to make a profesional record.
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Well, not really. MUST is a strong word.
You can also try and use transient shaper of some sort (Logic has one), that might also be cool. |
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MadScientist
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Posted : Aug 28, 2008 10:31
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I also dont think that you need to sample & edit esm, just process it right and its also tight enough 
you just need to use a transient designer (like logic's enveloper f.e.) and a gate, some compression and you re done
but generally you re right, I always miss that knob from es1 where you can adjust analog from 0-100%.
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sly
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Posted : Aug 28, 2008 12:26
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On 2008-08-28 00:31, Wire_Conex wrote:
Yup, MUST sample ESM, unless that you dont want to make a profesional record.
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you must have a studio to make a profesional record
no need to sample till you start mixing. than you can simply bounce some bars and hits.
settings in es-m are not that important than eq, comp and envelope. i like filter: cutoff 12 o'clock, int. low, dec. and vel. to taste. amp: vel. low, dec. to taste. a little bit of reso and some disortion for sure.
after try to shape with plugs.
to be honest i would forget es-m. first i really loved this bassmonster. but it's getting boring quite fast like vb-1. i prefer synths like albino, vanguard, cronox. even abl and nexus sound better to my ear at the moment than es-m. sure es-m is good and it's just a matter of taste. but with other synths i can make MY basslines, with es-m it's always an ES-M bassline... |
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Fingax
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Posted : Aug 29, 2008 02:37
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i dont know why shouldnt you always sample ur bassline and leave it play as a mono audio file. like that at least u can see whts exactly being played on every single note, insted of relying on midi processing which might be unreliable.
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soulfood
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Posted : Aug 29, 2008 05:09
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I always used two compressors on ESM and with very small eq it sounds fine.
I would say though... why not just use ES 1 or something instead or is that evading the matter with extreme cowardice? I always though the ESM sounded much nicer with lower tempo tracks.
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Domi
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Posted : Aug 29, 2008 08:48
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