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reeps
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Posted : Oct 19, 2008 05:21:44
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just having a little trouble with a few things.
first question; if i have a kick from say 31hz to 250hz and a snare from 500hz-15000hz, both cut perfectly to those spectrums, the individual sounds are both at -6db. when i play them both at once, should the combined sound be a -6db? - because they merely sit on top of eachother.
second question; when mixing my song, i make the kick the loudest element, so my soundcard output in cubase should be no louder than the volume of my kick at any point in the song. -> does that sound right?
3rd question - is the accuracy of the meters in cubase reliable?
4th question- say i dont want anything else to land on the kick - so i send all my other channels to one channel, and use sidechaining with the kick. what settings would i use (threshold,ratio etc) to ensure that there is no noise on the kick, but that all the sounds after and before the kick are not effected in any way by this compression?
just a little confused on some real fundamental concepts.
cheers for any responses.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Oct 19, 2008 10:00
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1.: no, both sounds at once should leave you with -3db. also a kick from 31 to 250hz is way too less. where is your freqrange for the click? I would better make it from 31-10k at least. 
2.: depends on what style you are doing, but generally no. it should be prominent in the track, but its not necessary, or even possible that the whole track isnt louder. already when you got a perc element, a sound or whatever on your kick, the track is already louder than your kick alone, even when the sound is at -30db.
3.: cant help you on this, sorry
4.: better play with attack and release
hope that helped a bit!
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Kitnam
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Posted : Oct 19, 2008 15:31
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the volume does not depend on the frequency . its the final result of wave-peaking , how long the waves are (frequency) does not matters for the volume (height of the waveform).
when you add 2 different waves with seperated different frequences, the volume will add to each other still.
2. your output of the soundcard (sum of the playback) will always be louder if you play things on top of the kick (see point 1). if you want the kickdrum to be the loudest element depends on your decision of mixing, for psytrance its one of the biggest elements without doubt.
3. not realy. but its ok for 99%. a waveform vibrates far too fast to realy beeing shown on the meters, so its a kind of compromise, and shows only the peaks with a very long "hold" of the level so you are getting an image of the loadest peaks of the waveform going through the channel. so you are getting getting highest values of the waveform. some meters and plugins or gear have a RMS screen too, which trys to recieved the medium-level of signal by showing average peaks. anyway depening on the system what counts is the clipping-indicator (red LED on signal = 0 db) and they are not always very reliable, because they only show if a bigger sum of material is clipping (usually 3 samples in a row) and some of them are going to show clipping up do a difference of +- 1db from the real 0 db depending on the system. so you should always leave a headroom of a around no matter what kind of meter on no matter what system, usually -0.3 db is consensus.
do not try to push your mix to much into nearly 0db, mixing within 24 bit you realy have to go down very low to even get to the niveau of 16 bit. so you can leave values like -5db or more headroom without fearing to loose any audio-quality. usually the mastering is taking care to maximise your loudness, but later.
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attack = 0. release as long as you can hear the noteable hit of the kickdrum sound. treshold = depends on the volume but you need to go down very low to kill every noise when the kick is played ratio = same as threshold.
i can promise you the result will sound realy crappy anyway. but i think you want to go for loundess of your kick as much as possible isnt it? as madscientist allready explained usually a longer release (but not longer then one 4/4 beat = next kickdrum hits) is taken because it feels just more natural.
anyway your question shows that you have not yet realy gotten how compressors work (asking on settings) make yourself a gift and try to learn about them - its worth it and once understood its realy easy.
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reeps
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 10:54
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absolute fucking legends - answered every question perfectly.
happiness and good health to you both  !!!!!.
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 20, 2008 12:22
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