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Equalising bass using fruity loops parametric eq
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Getafix
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 19:29
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hi guys....i just converted some songs from fruity loops to wav and burned them to a cd so i could see how they sounded on my car stereo system (i've got 2 500 Watt subwoofers n good speakers) the problem is the bass and/or the kick are too high....if i play normal psytrance cd's on the sytem...u feel the bass but if u look at the subwoofers they don't bounce up n down as much as they're doing on my tracks....
so finally coming to my question....can anyone tell me how to equalise the bass using the FL parametric eq...for example which frequencies to cut or boost? thanks for the help guys....i tried searching the forum didn't come up with anything regarding which frequencies to cut or boost for basslines
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Adrenal Mode
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 19:37
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You should remove sub bass from your track , try to reduce low frequencies(0-60hz) . |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 20:05
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The most common beginner mistake when it comes to EQ is that people belive that you need to EQ to get good sound, and EQ to much.
Personally I like synths for basses that I don't need to EQ to get the sound I want.
Also, choosing a root note that has the frequency you are after is the best way to get the puch in the area you want.
Generally with bass frequencies:
The real 'oomph' can vary between around 70-120hz.
Stuff below 50hz is not very usefull, and many PA systems cut away everything below around 38hz.
I don't like to cut to much of it away though, because for the few listeners that have systems that go down to 20-30hz it will sound a bit thinner.
But if you boost the 'oomph', it can be good to reduce the subs a bit at least.
Around 250-500 is the 'boxy' sound.
It's also common to reduce a bit around 250 when boosting the 'oomph' to avoid 'boxyness'.
In the end you fo course have to use your ears, and decide where you want your main frequency to be.
And if you wan't a subby bass without to much mid present, close your filter a bit.
If you want your main bass frequency to be at a frequency use the right note.
Say you want a subby bass in your track...go to:
http://mnorris.wellington.net.nz/freqlisttonote.html
There you will see that C# is closest to 70hz.
Maybe it's not a scale you want to work in, but maybe aim for a C or D rather than a F or G.
But of course it's art and not science, so do what you think sounds good.
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bandarlog
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 22:14
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I use fl too but prefer the waves q10 instead of the parametric... Anyway: i cut everything below 40hz, boost a little bit (not mch, 1-2db) around 80-120hz. I cut (bass and kick) around 500hz. But what I really wanted to say is: watch what you do with putting too much bass in it. Your car stereo might not be accurate. I also thought I had too little bass in my songs...till they got played at parties. There I found out that there was WAY too much bass in them. With this knowledge I adjusted my songs and reduced the bass a lot (till there seemed to be hardly any bass left) and when I played live I still had to reduce bass using a hardware equalizer. So don't go thinking you don't have enough bass too fast (imo). Trust monitors and decent headphones instead of a car stereo. But it's also a matter of personal taste... I like to think of it that there are good songs for home listening or in your car and good songs for parties. A lot of very good songs (at home) of very skilled and famous producers don't work at parties because their basses aren't tight and vice versa: a lot of songs that seem to lack bass and a decent kick at home work very well at a party, again: imho. |
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Hayez
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 09:05
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There isn't any good reason for a track to sound good in the studio and to sound bad in a party. Use Spindrift advice and don't forget that the most important thing when you're mixing is balance and EQ. Usally it's best to start mixing just the bass and drums. You can do your mix only as good as your studio allowes you to, so get good monitors.
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 12:34
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Hayez
Sometimes it all sounds so easy, and simple..i guess things are what we want them to be... 
Monitors are important, but i think knowledge is more important.... it feels useless invest in a pair of monitors if i dont have the knowledge to shape sound to my desire, whith that i mean to have a great parameter knowledge and knowhow about sound..
"You can do your mix only as good as your studio allowes you to"
- Who said im going to refrence my mix only in my studio. The knowledge i get when listening in other environments, with other speakers makes me hear what needs to be done, the more of these test i preform the easier i have to make an universal mix.... same goes if you own a pair of monitors...
so Psychosomatic what did you learn of this experience? that you focus everything around the bass and drums?
that you need to shape the bass and kick to simulate power.... and not use volume to make them stand out in the mix...
if you find the right tuning for the kick and bass you will get them to "hum" together which will increase the impact...
its a tricky job which can take hours to find... and we are talking minimal adjustments with picth and velocity pitch and amp decay and filter settings and more more more.... you decide the complexity... close your eyes or look away when you are tuning...
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bandarlog
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 13:55
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On 2004-10-15 09:05, Hayez wrote:
There isn't any good reason for a track to sound good in the studio and to sound bad in a party.
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I've had different experiences...
+ I said at home (not (professionnal) studio) end he's talking about his car stereo. |
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Hayez
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 23:24
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Triptocoma, sorry for making my statment too abstract. The basic rules for making a mix that will have good sound balance in most placs are pretty simple, but from theory to practice it takes a long way. I'm sure that some day we'll have a software that would do the mix for us. 
It's a very good thing to check your mix in cars, headphones and your paranets stereo, but then you'll end up changing your mix everytime. Monitors are suppose to be flat, that's why they give you a better control of your mix. They also have better resoultion and responce. It's something like a photo, the higher resoultion gives you more details. If you start with a low resoultion picture, you can't make it look like the higer, because it doesn't have the small details in the first place.
bandarlog, I know what you mean. sometimes the PA in parties is a nightmare, but then if your mix is well balanced then it will usally sound good in most places. |
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 16, 2004 22:17
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Np Hayez, practice makes theory easier, hehe
Hehehe, a software will never control my faders... but the idea is cool, maybe it could work as a starting ground if you are out of ideas...
anyway of course you are correct about the photo analogy...
im only saying that sometimes it can be the skills thats lacking and then you just have to go get them, acquire knowledge!!
every step for knowledge is a step closer to your vision...
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