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davinski
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 19:17
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First learn the frequencies and what these does, then know the different vst equalizers for different coloring.
You could also try coloring vst like some of tritone
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 19:20
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On 2010-04-28 17:58, *eLliSDee* wrote:
THEY say (the clever ones), that different EQs have adds different character to the sound. i believe them.
It's the same thing with using different types of compressors <- some character is added. they use words like 'bite' and 'color' to discribe this character
I struggle to hear these differences. on some compressors its obvious.
i guess it takes years of experience to actually notice/know the differences
aparenly the UAD and Solankis ones is of high quality.
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if you can t hear any difference it s cause there is not many , most plugins eq all sound the same or close(some can have different Q ratio depending of how much you boost or cut or different hp/lp filters and some are linear phase ,but all that is still clean and not color like modelling a hardware eq input and ouput stage for example, would take too much cpu)never used a convincing coloring eq in plugins yet but heard good things about nebula ,tritone and uad massive passive |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 20:20
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I remember reading an article on this topic a couple of months ago. Don't remember where - Computer Music maybe? Anyway, it talked about different types of equalizers and compared a few software EQs. Basically, programs with the same underlying algorithm will give (nearly) identical result. And ones different at the core will give you different results. Sometimes, audibly different.
Anyway, here is my newbie question related to this topic. I read that parametric EQs screw up the sound's phase. And they do it in a complicated way - which is why a flanger and a phaser sound different. So, let's say I have an EQ on every channel in my project. I know my output is going to have a screwed up phase. Isn't it in my best interest to have it screwed up in the same way across the channels? (In other words, shouldn't I use the same plugin?) Or is it really theoretical stuff that makes no difference in real life?
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 21:02
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it would not be about using the same plugin but using the same settings on all tracks if you want similar phase shift ,but there is no point to it ,these phase shift are a reason why sounds blend well all toghter in the context of a mix.these phase shift can give the feeling of more depth too ,i think it s cause it delay a bit the freq there is something about timing hapening but in my experience it result in a less tight sound in the low end ,less focused . check in the variety of sound site there is a good read about all that or on the net you can find better explanation |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 21:35
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damn too late for edit, you can use whatever plugins you want,in most phase eq identical boost/cut and Q result in same phase shift anyway .in the end just trust your ears and don t worry about things like that, if it sound right it s all good |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 21:39
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Thanks, that was useful. |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 21:47
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ok, I dug up this protoculture thread from Bomelakise.
http://www.bomelakiesie.co.za/viewtopic.php?t=24061
I'll just paste the relavent here if no one minds.
from protoculture:
"1 EQ - Don't underestimate a high quality eq... they all have very different tones but you'd best be looking for something similar to a passive eq format.
Sony Oxford EQ (I use these on the powercore... really like these plugins)
UAD Precision EQ
URS Eq's (I forget the exact name but there are a couple of good ones in their everything eq bundle)
Waves Eq's - There's a couple of usable ones in there.. I'm not a massive fan of waves plugins though
Brainworx BX Mastering EQ
PSP Neon and MasterQ"
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" If you've got a high quality eq with good character, like the UAD Neve stuff for example, you might want to add a very small boost up in the highs around 16k and up for a bit of extra shine, but don't try this with a shit eq. The highs are the first place you notice whether an eq is up to scratch. "
btw, This topic was on basic mastering
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 22:00
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oh wait, he went on
protoculture;
"Look, I don't want to say which plug in is shit and which is not, because some people will get amazing results with different things. Mastering though is not that simple though, and in my opinion, I would never use an ableton eq for this kind of thing. I actually would never even use the built in Cubase eq to master.
Like I said before, the best way to tell a good eq from a bad one is listen to the highs. Thats the first place you'll hear something wrong. It should be smooth, distortion free and sound silky when you push a high shelf. A lot of substandard eq's will immediately sound harsh and hurt your ears. Also, there are loads of different kinds of eq's from Graphic, Linear phase, Passive, Parametric, Filters... the list goes on. For mastering, and again this is not the be all and end all, I'd look for something that come in a similar format to this. "
Also, eq's that have decent oversampling are a good bet. If you don't have an eq with decent HP and LP filters... you can use seperate filters (dowload BX cleansweep from here...http://www.brainworx-music.de/index.php?nav=3&um=2&lang=en) Also, eq's that add too much character to a sound might not be what you want.... they can come in handy but I'd first stick to something more transparent to start.
Generally speaking, its really worth getting at least one high quality transparent eq and transparent compressor (by transparent, I mean ones that don't impart too much character on your sound) in your computer. You can do loads of interesting creative stuff with plugins that don't fit this description, but it's always handy to have a quality set of tools for more surgical tasks like mastering. It doesn't have to break the bank, but often it pays to spend a bit more on these things. "
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 22:55
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 23:16
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WOW..
that does'nt leave a lot of room for argument
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 23:23
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On 2010-04-28 18:11, *eLliSDee* wrote:
Ascension
its like that Flemming(or whomever) dude said on the vids posted on that thread the other day..
He knew that one specific EQlizer would give him that spesial 'something'(don't know what).
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looking for that X factor
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 01:55
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it s funny how it s easy to get fooled by our eyes in audio.i guess some companies used that to make some money with plugs like eqs, always same code ,different gui and engineers are arguing wich one sound better in forums haha it s not far from that... |
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orange
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 02:42
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in my opinion its all about the gui... and how fast is for you to get where you want with an eq.
sound wise i didnt find a difference between fl parametric eq 1 and sonalksis sv 517 eq
workflow wise i could do alot more surgical work with fl peq and faster.. so even if the sonalksis sounds 30% better the fl eq compensates by its simplicity and alot more detailed use of its filters.
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 03:16
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i can't argue with that either orange
your music sounds pure as the driven snow
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orange
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 03:21
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