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ben
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Posted : Apr 24, 2003 00:54
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ok i have been thinking about this for a while:
How do you guys eq your tracks??
i know how to Eq the bass, the kick and the percusions, and i also know that i have to give each sound its particular frequency, but can anyone give me more guidelines on how to Eq Other sounds, like pads, sounds in the background that are playing with less volume, and leads??
Whcich frequencies do you boost and which frequencies do you cut??
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Arie Molecular
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Posted : Apr 24, 2003 01:09
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what i recomend you is to get the WAVES bundle, and open the Paz Analyzer.
this DX plug-in shows you where is each frequincy is.
open it on the master effect (volume) and then play each part solo and then add them together, you should maintain a streight line EQ exept the kick and basslines that are needed to be higher then the rest line of EQ.
goodluck.
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ben
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Posted : Apr 28, 2003 19:13
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thanks nectarios, i'll check that out!!
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Flotser
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 13:47
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Yep!
thanx for that cool info nectarios 
Its almost the first time i read someone talk about Eq, and everything makes sence to me |
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 29, 2003 14:54
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Superglue: I think you'd be surprised at how many analog sounds you hear in new music - I'm talking the cream of the soundwork crop here. I really doubt you think that all of the Spirit Zone crew sound 'old', or that the Twisted Records sound is very 'old' indeed. Really, analog synths can be VERY flexible, but appearantly you don't agree with that (let me let you in on a secret - the virtual analog synths haven't invented much effect-wise, it's 99% a copy of what analog synths already do, and with a fatter sound).
Anyways - EQ is a very subjective thing, but there are a few guidelines here. When EQing things don't do one of these mistakes:
1) DO NOT use a drastic EQ, since it usually takes away all of the fatness of the sound. Leaving a low volume on the frequencies that you don't want to hear in that barely effects the bigger picture but gives a much fatter sound. A bassline without any mid-range will sure be in place, but will sound very hollow, so that should be done with care.
2) DO NOT leave any frequencies with nothing playing in them unless you're absolutely positive that you want to give an empty feeling to the track. Notice that even the most minimal artists fill in all the frequencies.
3) when a sound is 'too thin' for your liking, think of whether adding a reverb or a light chorus will fix this - most sounds can be given a lot of depth with very light and simple effects (the Virus for instance doesn't create really fat sounds when you take away it's reverb and delay, but with them the sounds are pretty impressive, hence it's popularity). Now - this changes the EQ of the sound - so always add the EQ after as many effects as possible, but before the reverbs and delays - those effects are rather linear, and should have the center of the stage, but if you add a phaser or chorus after the EQ work - you'll just ruin a lot of the accuracy the sound had.
In short - EQ with care, and it's best to start out with a good sound, as opposed to making a sound good.
Extra tip: use send effects on reverb/delays, that way you can use the same reverb and delays for many different effect channels (saves CPU power) - I also like to EQ out the bass on the sends to the delays as to not overclutter the bass sounds (leave space for the bassdrum/bassline).
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Kaz
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Posted : Apr 30, 2003 11:40
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SuperGlue:
A) Ticon and Bitmonx don't have that 'spectacular' sound - you forget that the only thing that the progressive/minimal psytrance offers that techno doesn't is the psychedelic sound work (ok, and a less linear structure, but that's not always true as well). Otherwise, Der Dritte Raum and Chris Liebing offer more than any of Marcus X-Dream's projects, let alone more than Bitmonx.
B)I have to disagree with you on the EQ of the kicks and snares - it's really a matter of taste. A low thumping kick (+2db at 40-200, -2db at 400Hz, -6db from 700Hz and up, with a rather high resonance peak in the trebles to give it that 'click') can fit certain tracks much better than one with a well defined midrange.
C) Low snares are very usefull in creating tribal breakbeat sequences - so don't automatically EQ out the low frequencies. Certain snares/congas/whatevers should have different EQs to create a feeling of a more diverse percussion - you can add the same reverb/delay/whatever to all of the drums later to give them a 'loop' feeling. Massive EQing gives a less natural sound to percussion - keep that in mind.
D) Electric Universe, Shiva Chandra and other acts also use some bass in the effects they use (Electric Universe - Firewire is a good example of how it's done), so don't do things automatically. DO NOT WORK BY FORMULA. What's good in 90% of the cases can be bad in the other 10%, and 90% perfect isn't perfect at all.
In short - EQ only when you feel it's necessary, until you get to the fine-tuning bit when the track is complete, fixing the EQ is a lot easier when you lower frequencies than when you need to raise them (you find out that more at 500Hz would give the snare a lot more oomph, but when you do that, it 'mutes' the lead, so you move the lead to 1200Hz, but then the effects sound bad... etc).
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Apr 30, 2003 14:45
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do yo guys use the cubase EQ or plugins? |
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 30, 2003 15:33
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Logic's EQ mostly.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 30, 2003 18:24
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| But the best thing to is to avoid EQing your sources as much as possible! Get the natural sound and just balance things out.
Remember that less is more! |
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Can't agree more
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ben
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Posted : May 1, 2003 02:05
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thanks kaz that's the kind of explanation i was hoping for, very heplful
But i have a last question: usually my tracks lack on some of the mid-high frequencies. How can i solve this problem?? Should i just boost those frequencies with an EQ opened on the master channel or what?? is it good to boost some frequencies over 0 Db (i use the Waves plug-ins for EQ)?? Or should i cut some frequencies instead on individual sounds before mastering??
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pechco
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Posted : Dec 26, 2003 13:22
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hi guys i just wanted to say thet this is the coolest forum its my first time on isratrance and its realy great
tanks 4 the tips...
specily to nectarios and kaz
the english is a litel bad so it want be long
but anther tip i got in my sounding school was: to take a track i knowand just run it the eq play with the herz and hear wiche herz afects what so......
ben if u want t try it may be it will help
but agin like nectarios says EQing is a very subjective thing
adios
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solipt1c
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Posted : Dec 26, 2003 21:07
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 05:03
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'kinell... What a fantastic tutorial. |
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DR_RiBoH
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Posted : Aug 1, 2004 01:31
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is eqing and mastering the same? |
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MoDu
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Posted : Aug 1, 2004 03:58
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Eq is leveling out each frequency of every sound independently or not, and balance it with the rest of the track, keeping compression in mind so that nothing slips away. Mastering is taking a eqq final song and make it ready for, let's say launch an album  |
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