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OhmLine
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:06:12
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Hi everyone
Was wondering if I can get a feedback from someone who understand acoustics better than me 
Last night I played with Logic's test oscillator and did few sweeps, I noticed there was a massive rise in the the volume somewhere between 110-120Hz (I assume this is one mean standing wave I got in my studio - I know it needs better treatment).
So I notched it out (very carefully) on the master, the sweep is much more gradual now without that bump.
Is that a right thing to do ?
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:13
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Right is what sounds better to you.
But, I wouldn't EQ source to match a room ever... Try to mix a few days with ur setting and see how well the mixes turn out.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:24
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this is almost the same like the way the arc system works, tough it has something like dynamic filters afaik, to prevent cancelations...
you can try it like trip said, but never ever forget to remove it before bouncing!
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OhmLine
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:26
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Thanks guys.
I should have added it before, the plan was to disable that specific EQ before I bounce,
just wanted to know if I'm doing something fundamentally wrong here ?
BTW - I do think it sound betta now....
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neogen
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:39
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see if you have the same problem at lower volume, we don't hear the room acoustics kick in as much when mixing at a reasonable volume. |
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:42
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if you remove the EQ before you bounce, everything you've done would be a mess...
That EQ in the first place is what keeping from other previous EQs in your chain to be set as they are.
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:43
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eq the source to match the room is not a good idea ... some do it but they have already full acoustcal treatment in the studio and it s very light settings on the eq ,around 120 absorbers ll do well . |
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OhmLine
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 12:48
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That EQ in the first place is what keeping from other previous EQs in your chain to be set as they are.
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AHA. Didn't think about that....
hmmmmmm. better acoustics......
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Spindrift
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 13:51
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The problem is that a standing wave will not have the same characteristics in different locations in the room.
So in some places it will boost a frequency and in other places it will cancel it out.
If you make sure you stay in the same position it can be better than nothing, but treating the problem rather than trying to cure the symptoms is always better of course.
I would find it very annoying to have an EQ on the master output though and then have to remember to switch it off as soon as you record or bounce, and it will confuse your hearing if you are not sure to keep it on at all times.
IMO for that solution to be worth considering at all one should be able to put the EQ on the control room signal only and leave the master out clean.
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0hz
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 21:39
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i've done alot of research about acoustics and i ended up with 12 self made bass traps in my room
each bass trap is 1.2m x 60cm x 10cm (HxLxw) .
the eq can help u a little with the bumps but it cant do nothing with the nulls, also dont forget when u use eq for room correction u creating a little phase shift. so actually when u mix through an eq the changes u make in the mix are not 100% correct because u making ur decisions based on a phase shifted signal.
also the eq corrects the signal only and only for the spot ur head in when u make the correction. if u move ur head 1inch to the side the signal is already uncorrected.
after i installed all the bass traps i measured the room using a hq measuring mic and the responce was soo flat in the low freq's that i couldent believe my eyes , and my ears
also stay way from those overpriced foam bass traps that the stores sell, they dont do much in the low freqs.
if u looking for a budged room treatment then get some rook wool (density 90 Kg/m3) and go to gearslutz.com look for DIY bass traps and learn how to make your own basstraps.
i made my 12 traps for about 1000nis..
in the store u can buy about 7 foam basstraps at that price which are by far not as effective as dense rook wool. |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 4, 2008 22:33
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There are a few reasons why eq-ing does not help much to treat room-modes:
1) the dips and peaks in the room may be so large in magnitude that it can be harmful to the monitors to use the amount of eq required to make up for it, even at normal monitoring levels (sometimes 20-30 dB).
2) If you make up by using eq, the resulting peaks and dips could be even stronger at other points in the room.
3) Eq works in the frequency domain, but it does not have complete control over effects in the time domain. So even if you get a flat frequency response at one point in the room, the ringing due to flutter echo and resonances will continue after the sound has stopped whether you eq or not.
Spending some money on rockwool and kinky cotton to cover it is probably the cheapest and easiest way to solve room problems. At least, that's what i gather from every article or forum that has written about the subject.
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Upavas
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 07:13
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i dont think its such bad idea
after all there is JBL technology where the speakers tune their own eq according to the room (with app and microphone)
and yes it can help actualy , but only if you have very obvious major problem , guess work aint gonna work here...
or use microhpone to records white noise where you sit and then see the diffrences and fix it.
offcourse best solution is to get acoustics
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 07:21
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btw in israel for normal prices go to salame 40 in yafo
its where the music shop and yoram lev get their "expensive" stuff
possible can get bass trap for about 100-120 nis depend how much you take (in music shop 160 , but why pay the comission to this assholes with the worst client servise in the world)
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Apr 5, 2008 11:15
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This shit doesn't work, period! Try & do a search on any acoustics forum where this has been discussed many times.
There's no magic plugin that can fix your room, this has been confirmed by many acoustic professionals, just do a little research.
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