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Surrender
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 03:16
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btw- a bit offtopic but since were talking about the imagers and milosh recently mentioned the uad-1 card.. i have to say that ive seen the imager there in action (dont have it myself) and it is mighty impressive, levels above the s1.
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 03:32
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Besides high passing anything that messes with the bass and kick, I barely EQ anything on my tunes. I just use patches and samples that work together and make sure their timming is right.
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koniord
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 13:02
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NikC sorry about yesterday, i liked the online post-to-post. Well, i think you answered your own question....you have 1 lead there and stuff surrounding and backing it up....but apparently S-cube ment the same thing. Don't get me wrong there, anything can be your lead sound. That depends entirely on you
back to eqing....pretty much the same thing goes with bass and kick for eg. You can have the kick sitting in the lower mid area and a heavy bass making it and the whole mix sound huge...or you can use a low synth sound backing up a thin bass with the same effect....anything goes and many things can be done between different sounds but the thing is to keep them all separate and complementing each other, not mudding up each other and the mix.
When something is being lost under other sounds in the mix try stripping the sounds that are covering your target sound in the area surrounding it's fundamental freqs. A little presence can help to make a sound stand out too.
But the main thing is to balance the mix without running out of headroom. Eqing and compression are the keys there.
About imageing etc...there are several things you can do with panning send effects to crack up the center, open up the mix and leave more room for bass-kick and the likes in the center. |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 14:06
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On 2005-12-14 02:00, S-Cube wrote:
I think NikC got what i meant! Thanks for the tips man..
Is the Waves S1 imager any good for widening the stereo image?
Do you guys also use stereo imaging on the percussion?
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I don't use any imaging on percussion. If the samples are stereo to start with, I have a listen and just play with the velocities of the recycle midi file to sort inconsistenies out. But I usually have percussion in the middle.
Basically, I don't use any imaging plugs at all, cause they change the sound and when playing the tunes out in mono, the subsequent cancellation of frequencies on the effected channels, messes the mix up completely.
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e-motion
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 14:54
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14-year old e-tard you can turn to mono and check if you are messing the mix or not. imaging is vital in production. |
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koniord
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 15:37
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i don't use imageing plugs on separate tracks either for the same reason...14-year old e-tard is right about phase cancelation...though you can get away with some things...you can do other better things anyway. |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 16:08
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On 2005-12-14 14:54, e-motion wrote:
14-year old e-tard you can turn to mono and check if you are messing the mix or not. imaging is vital in production.
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Yes that is what I do and the elements where imaging plugs were used, are lost. Imagind is vital, but you can be creative without using stereo plugs.
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Digital Somadhy
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 17:57
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Sometimes simple cnanell delay (17-30ms, only one chanell without feedback)best tool for stereo expansion. |
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the daleks
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Posted : Dec 15, 2005 07:15
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what about "Q"?
i heard high Q values "smear the transients"
does this mean narrow Q, like a notch, or a wide Q with a gentle slope?
think i heard this in relation to bass, but any clarification would be great
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fregle
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Posted : Dec 15, 2005 17:41
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everybody who has questions about EQ en compression should read this first:
http://www.dnbscene.com/articles.php?mode=display&id=79
i never read a better basic tutorial...
A high Q value will make that frequency band very narrow, a low Q value makes the band very wide. Because a transient ofton has lot's of frequencies other then the base frequency of the sound, you might indeed destroy the transient by using a high Q. The sound as such will be well EQ'd, but the transient loses too much frequencies to still sound like a decent transient. It will sound duller, more 'smeared' |
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Nobita
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 01:48
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On 2005-12-13 23:57, koniord wrote:
some things are really quite impossible....can you imagine three guitarists playing solo with distortion in the same area...even if you manage to make it sound right it would freak everyone out...i think
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Obviously you've never been to a Steve Vai concert...
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koniord
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 02:00
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hahaha (i have)
i'm a professional guitarist...not that proffessional is supposed to mean something but i have spent many many years studying music |
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NikC
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 02:05
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On 2005-12-14 14:06, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
I don't use any imaging on percussion. If the samples are stereo to start with, I have a listen and just play with the velocities of the recycle midi file to sort inconsistenies out. But I usually have percussion in the middle.
Basically, I don't use any imaging plugs at all, cause they change the sound and when playing the tunes out in mono, the subsequent cancellation of frequencies on the effected channels, messes the mix up completely.
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Of course they change the sound, that's what they're designed to do... have you ever listened to how a lead with chorus sounds in mono? Surely that's more important than an odd subtle hihat or one-hit sounding weird...
Anyway... most good rigs are Stereo apart from the lower frequencies. plus your mix is for the sake of stereo and to sound good in stereo.. otherwise, who'd give a flying f**k about panning anything?
Plus I know some pretty damn big acts for whome stereo imaging on percussion is a very important part of the mix process.
Sure, listen to it in mono... but remember you're mixing for the best possible circumstances. If you're only gonna be played on small hi-fi all-in-ones then mix your track without any low frequencies or panning.
Anyway... it's not all about stereo imaging, there much more vital parts to mixing percussion... however, if you want to get stuff sounding better to your ears... do whatever it takes..
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On 2005-12-14 14:06, 14-year old e-tard wrote:
Yes that is what I do and the elements where imaging plugs were used, are lost. Imagind is vital, but you can be creative without using stereo plugs.
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Of course you can be creative without using stereo plugs?! was that ever doubted or questioned?
Stereo spacing is a final, extra part of the mix to get it to sound better... not generally part of the creative process itself.
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koniord
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 02:05
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again, what i ment by this example is three guitarist playing solos at the same time and freq area(and by that i meant falling on each other) lets say between the 12th and 15th frets on strings b and g...woudn't that be mayhem.....vai would never let anyone do that on stage with him, i think....un;ess he was looking for that effect.
Oh, and i can recall some more fuzzion-ish songs that had moments like that but again not with three guitars but 1 or 2 and keyboards all playing countrapuntal(i don't know if that is the correct translation in English, i only know the word in Greek)and only for a while just to create this effect.
They used to do that in jazz a lot back in the 50s or 60s (or earlier-damn memory) and they had a name for it but i can;t remember right now. |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 10:57
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On 2005-12-16 02:05, NikC wrote:
Of course they change the sound, that's what they're designed to do... have you ever listened to how a lead with chorus sounds in mono? Surely that's more important than an odd subtle hihat or one-hit sounding weird...
Anyway... most good rigs are Stereo apart from the lower frequencies. plus your mix is for the sake of stereo and to sound good in stereo.. otherwise, who'd give a flying f**k about panning anything?
Plus I know some pretty damn big acts for whome stereo imaging on percussion is a very important part of the mix process.
Sure, listen to it in mono... but remember you're mixing for the best possible circumstances. If you're only gonna be played on small hi-fi all-in-ones then mix your track without any low frequencies or panning.
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I was not clear enough before, but what I meant by "stereo plugs change the sound" was that they degrade it. Some definition is lost and when A and Bing by-passing the effect, the degradiation of the sound is evident.
Most rigs are stereo and you should mix for the best possible circumstances I agree, but whilst doing that you should cater for the mix to sound good on the radio, or the odd TV add for a channel that is mono. Stereo separation is achievable without using stereo plugs that mess up the phase of the elements, ensuring that the mix translates well on a mono system as well.
I am not saying its not good to have a wide stereo field, I am just saying that I am not using stereo plugs to do that. So I have a wide stereo field, without loosing stuff in mono.
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