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111j111
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Posted : Jan 8, 2010 13:43:25
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I have read or heard somewhere that it is important/good to cut all frequencies below a certain point on the master track / all tracks (20hz or something?? to cut out unnecessary noise). First of all what should I cut and second how should I cut it, as in is there a good eq out there at doing a complete cut?
I am on a Mac and I run Logic pro. The eqs are good, but i cant do a complete cut. Is there an EQ/filter etc on logic that I can use, or one that is mac friendly. Also can compression be used here?
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Seamoon
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Posted : Jan 8, 2010 15:12
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imho nearly all eqs will do the job....
personally i use waves linear phase eq...
the much more important thing is where to cut and this is different in all tracks.
i use the following trick (the condition is you need monitors that go very low):
play 2 or 3 of your favourite tracks and walk thru your room, maybe at some poits the bass will be heavy cause of standing waves, or in the corners....now listen closly and remember the sound....
now play your track (at the same volume) and compare the bass-content with the commercial tracks (at the spots where the bass is so heavy) and correct it with the eqs.
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KoFrecords
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Posted : Jan 11, 2010 13:33
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I have some very useful material for you regarding EQ/mixing. Send me your email address as theres way too much to post here, and it's not on the net so I can't post a link. Regards, Stuart |
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PsyGZ
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Posted : Jan 12, 2010 21:50
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I know the human ear cant really hear anything below 20hz....realistic zone for human perception is around 20-50hz ....anything below 50 and you get too many low end frequencies that you cant really hear well and it will end up making the rest of your track sound muddy. Most people I know, usually set the cut for frequencies on their tracks for bass and kick at anything below 50hz.
Many professional engineers just use their High Pass Filter on almost all of their tracks and set it at about 60hz....but ultimately whatever sounds best is good..... |
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Jan 14, 2010 07:38
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you can tweak if you are monitoring 20-50Hz with a sub.
filtering below 50-60Hz with a 12-24dB slope usually does the trick!!
But like it has been said - Whatever sounds best is good!!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 14, 2010 21:23
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Seamoon
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Posted : Jan 15, 2010 02:30
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On 2010-01-14 21:23, Colin OOOD wrote:
Waves linear EQ is absolutely shit for the low end. Check it through a spectrum analyser and youŽll see what I mean. For low end cut IŽd recommend Oxford EQ or Waves REQ with Q=1. Also stacking up multiple bands on a Q6 etc. at the same frequency works well.
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sorry but i absolutly can't approve that. i heard A LOT of bad things about the waves linear eqs but i don't know why...i don't care what it looks like....
when you highpass a bass with an eq with a steep slope (24db or more) you often get ringing artifacts and it can change the sound dramatically...
waves lin eq was the only one i tried who doesn't cause so much changes and artifacts (also i have to say i never tried a different linear eq)
maybe it doesn't kill all the lowend, but for me it is the eq with the fewest change in sound when cutting bass...
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vegetal
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Posted : Jan 15, 2010 02:44
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On 2010-01-15 02:30, Seamoon wrote:
when you highpass a bass with an eq with a steep slope (24db or more) you often get ringing artifacts and it can change the sound dramatically.
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I think that depends on what filter type your using and or if you make the cut very steep.
If your using chebyshev then yes, but with a bessel (or was it butterworth?) youŽll be fine.
CanŽt remember which one of them that messes up the phase thou.
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Seamoon
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Posted : Jan 15, 2010 12:24
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waves, oxford, sonalksis are the usual eqs the most users here use (me too) i think....
and with non of them you can change the filter typ between the 3 common filtertyps (or am i wrong??).
you can only change the eq typ but not the filter typ i guess.
just take a bassline with a lot of sub frequencies...now cut it with lets say oxford 36db slope or sonalksis 24db slope....for me, in nearly all cases the sound will changes in a bad way...
hm this discussion is getting a little bit offtopic, but it's a really interesting subject, isn't it...
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klippel
Stereofeld
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Posted : Jan 15, 2010 13:25
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get this:
http://www.aixcoustic.com/index.php/Electri-Q-posihfopit/30/0/
it is free and amazing, you can actually choose between a whole range of different filters/slopes (including butterworth and so on... you have to install it to actually see the different types, its not written on the site)
i use it for cutting the low end since a couple of weeks (thanks to the recommandation of cosmosis in tweaking the tunage ;-)) and i have to say: it IS really awesome and its teaches you the different behaviours of the filter types as you can just browse them through and listen to them... and again, it is F.R.E.E.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Jan 15, 2010 13:27
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when i cut the low end the bassline is jump in volume too much in a wierd way. so i prefer to leave to the mastering engeneer |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 14:12
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I love this EQ-plug a lot. I can't get it to save my settings. I have to reload my saved preset every time i open the project..
But this free plug is a better piece of software than most buy-able ones..
thx for the recommendation
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On 2010-01-15 13:25, klippel wrote:
get this:
http://www.aixcoustic.com/index.php/Electri-Q-posihfopit/30/0/
it is free and amazing, you can actually choose between a whole range of different filters/slopes (including butterworth and so on... you have to install it to actually see the different types, its not written on the site)
i use it for cutting the low end since a couple of weeks (thanks to the recommandation of cosmosis in tweaking the tunage ;-)) and i have to say: it IS really awesome and its teaches you the different behaviours of the filter types as you can just browse them through and listen to them... and again, it is F.R.E.E.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 14:41
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On 2010-01-15 02:30, Seamoon wrote:
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On 2010-01-14 21:23, Colin OOOD wrote:
Waves linear EQ is absolutely shit for the low end. Check it through a spectrum analyser and youŽll see what I mean. For low end cut IŽd recommend Oxford EQ or Waves REQ with Q=1. Also stacking up multiple bands on a Q6 etc. at the same frequency works well.
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sorry but i absolutly can't approve that. i heard A LOT of bad things about the waves linear eqs but i don't know why...i don't care what it looks like....
when you highpass a bass with an eq with a steep slope (24db or more) you often get ringing artifacts and it can change the sound dramatically...
waves lin eq was the only one i tried who doesn't cause so much changes and artifacts (also i have to say i never tried a different linear eq)
maybe it doesn't kill all the lowend, but for me it is the eq with the fewest change in sound when cutting bass...
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i agree with colin the waves one is not good but if it works for you ...this one is free and imo better http://www.liquidsonics.com/software_filtrate_le.htm |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jan 19, 2010 15:31
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The ear can't hear frequencies below 20hz but the body can feel it...
Don't cut nothing! |
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Jan 20, 2010 13:01
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On 2010-01-19 15:31, Shiranui wrote:
The ear can't hear frequencies below 20hz but the body can feel it...
Don't cut nothing!
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Can your speaker reproduce that freqs?
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