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EQ Help (urgent cause of song deadline)
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john c
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 03:39
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Plz help guys cause Im runnin out of time.
Im working on a prog trance track. I have an acidline aka secondary (or accomponying) bassline synth. Hopefully you know what this is, its a bassline synth that sits above the sub main bassline synth, and below the Lead. I have it clashing big time with my Leads and Im not sure how to solve this problem. My leads have some Keys in octaves that kind of compete with this synth. When they are together, it sounds very muddy. I really dont want to sacrifice the Lower keys of my lead (the song is very complex and Id love to keep the melody in tact). What are some options in balancing such a synth with the lead? |
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dma
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 03:49
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howdy mate!!
ok,well first i would start buy trying to change it's stereo position,try sending to 2 mono tracks then full pan???try a full blown chorous,try a stereo imaging tool like stereo spread or panorama!!
if that doesnt work,bring up a visual eq and c witch freq's are clashing,then maybe pull alittle from each rather that alot from one,maybe a hint of reverb or something to sink one sound deeper,
u can change the attack slighty on one synth or whateva it takes!!
hope this help's mate
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john c
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 03:57
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thanks dma. can u expan on the sending 2 mono tracks then full pan? do you mean export as mono channel, then load twice, one hard left and one hard right? |
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dma
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 04:33
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ok what i do in logic is route the audio to a bus via the chanel output,and then also send it out via a send to another bus,then simply hard pan!i no it sounds kinda complicated but is quite simple |
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Bitkit
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 12:47
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hey guys!
if your soundcard can, route you kick+basline to outputs 3-4 instead of our main outs(1-2. if not possible, bounce you kick & basline first, import them and than send the to your main outputs. this trick helped me every time. also cut of all frequecy's below 250hz of you lead's so you basline has more freedom to blow your track up. i hope this helps. btw, kick+basline: always mono, straight in you face. |
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john c
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 22:21
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im using Cubase. I dont what ur doing when ur sending them to diff busses since ur not saying that ur processing the busses any differently. |
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mubali
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Posted : Oct 11, 2005 23:46
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It's not about processing the busses differently, if you pan one version of the sound hard left and one version hard right, then there will be an equal signal coming out of each side... Thereby increasing the stereo image of the sound and hopefully making the sound stand out and not sounding muddy. I'd probably suggest doing that process to the secondary acid line and figuring out what frequencies you really want to be prominent for each sound and taking that frequency out of the colliding sound. I'd definitely suggest using a combination of a frequency analyser and your ears/a good set of monitors for this process. Also on that secondary acid sound, reduce the strength of the frequencies that are in the sound that collides with the part of the melody that you want. I.E. Let's say your secondary acid sound has a promintent amount of sound in the 800hz range and your melody has a predominant sound in 2000 hz range, Use a parametric eq to scoop out a little of the 800hz from the melody and a little bit of the 2000hz in the acid sound... Make sure that the melody has a decent low cut on it as well, I would agree with the 250 hz suggestion, but you can do more or less depending on how much energy is on the lower end of the melody. Now with the acid sound, that's really going to depend on where the emphasis of the sound is at. Try cutting just enough to where your bassline is still audible and see where that gets you... You can cut more from that as well, just make sure you can still get the meaty part of the acidline and it doesn't interfere with the subbass part...
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john c
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Posted : Oct 12, 2005 00:22
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thanks so much Mubali. I did cut most of the bass from the acidline and its sitting quite nite with the sub-bass. Its the Acidline clashing with the Lead thats complicated. The scooping diff parts from prominent regions of the conflicting sound, is what I am trying to do. Any tips though on how to do it intelligently? At what point do I stop scooping? Obivously the more I scroop, the more headroom I have and can bring the volume of the song louder. BUt also the more I damage the original sound. What kind of rule should I apply when Im subtracting out frequencies. I do use my ears, but the problem is, it sounds best when it IS clipping. Say I used one of the Waves EQ tools, by how mcuh should I reduce certain frequencies.
One more thing, kind of a dumb question, but how do I make something play in Mono if its a Stereo VST sound source without bouncing to audio and loading it in a MOno audio channel? Should the acidline be Mono too btw? |
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mubali
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Posted : Oct 12, 2005 00:42
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I honestly don't like to use too many things in mono, I only have the kick and bass in mono and everything else is in stereo, but that's a matter of personal taste.
Since you have waves, use their PAZ analyzer and solo the lead and acid sound individually. Look at the analyzer and see where the most activity takes place... then see where the least is. What you are trying to get at is to make both sounds play together in harmony. Now another tactic you can do is to put together a -2 to -4 db notch (looks like a "v" on an eq visual graph) and sweep the frequencies on each sound till you've got it right. Also one thing I forgot to mention previously is to have a pretty hi "q" in the eq so that it looks decidedly like a "v" instead of a "u"
As to making something stereo into mono, destroyfx has a freeware plugin called Monomaker that should be able to help you out with that.
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