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envelope of your track
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Aug 21, 2003 13:16
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imagine an envelope that describe your track:
it describe the state of highness through the length of your track.
example: progressive track has (usualy) short attack & decay, very long sustain (the track stay in the same level) and than the release. killer full-on has very long attack (its going up all the track and than some sustain and usually short release (ready to mix)
how your enevelope looks like?
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solipt1c
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Posted : Aug 21, 2003 17:18
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mine usually goes something like:
long attack (intro -> build up)
short sustain (first raz)
quick decay into medium sustain (breakdown)
fast attack into medium sustain (second raz)
medium decay (outro/mix-out)
i started a similar thread a while back on ektoplazm ( http://www.ektoplazm.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=1901) but i didnt get much reply, so i'd be interested to here any thoughts. for the lazy, here's what i said
my topic today... structure.
now i used to (and still do) make dj/dancefloor friendly drumnbass, and one thing you soon learn here is that your structure is very fixed. you have an intro - about 90 seconds (48/64 bars). must have a beat (so it can be mixed) but be fairly ambient, ideally introducing some recognisable "hook" riff or sample to come thru the mix and "announce" the mix-in. then the breakdown - 16 or 32 bars - most likely introduce your bassline. then it drops, rinses for 3 or 4 phrases, then second breakdown, second drop, second rinse, outro.... you get the idea. its pretty firmly fixed. sure, you can add or drop the odd 16 bar phrase to suit, and in some cases bend the rules even further, but generally not that much - especially when you're an unknown.
now one of the things that made me really enjoy making psy when i started doing that, and enjoy it to the point where i end up making it 90% of the time, was that the producer was not boxed into this set structure. instead of having to arrange my content to fit my structure (like in dnb) it seemed i could let my content dictate the structure ...so... if i stumble on a big synth melody and decide it would be cool for that to drop straight in outta nowhere, solo for two bars, then the beat hits back in - go for it. or, if i stumble on a filtering arp which sounds great rising up very slowly over 128 bars - then i have a slow 128 buildup. whether structural changes are fast or slow, thats fine. whether you wanna slam right in with a kick, or have 90 seconds of pretty much beatless pads and fx as an intro - thats fine.
so far, so good... however i cant help noticing that my tracks dont seem to share the structures of modern psy. perhaps my assumption of freedom for the psytrance producer is a little misplaced, and there are actually conventions my limited knowledge doesnt cover...
it seems to me that my tracks do a little too much of the dj's job, in that they typically start quite chilled-out and end quite full-on... ie they have an "intensity vector" to them... however really this is what the dj does by choosing tracks, each of a different intensity, in a certain order. when i'm listening to pro full-on it seems that these tracks start hard, get a bit harder, get ever so slightly less hard, get harder again, keep going hard, then end hard
is this making any sense?
as I said, I tend to try and let my sounds dictate the structure, but my general structure usually ends up something like this (a structure i vaguely derived from what i still consider to be one of the most awesome dancefloor trance tracks ever - "green nuns: thunder thighs"):
-intro - usually pretty floaty
-somewhere in the first minute - a basic beat/foundation comes in
-up to 3 or 4 minutes ish - fairly steadily build the track up to a quite full-on section, some sort of first peak
-breakdown of some sort
-second rinse - either drop straight in hard, or somethings go back to the beginning and build it up again
-second peak - introduce at least one element not present at first peak, to make this the ultimate peak
-outro - wind down.
so, i'm basically interested in hearing everyone's thoughts about structure .... i'm not the kind of guy to be stupid enough to want "rights" and "wrongs" or "the proper way" of doing it... I know there is no such thing and that ultimately I can do what the hell I like. I'd just like a few ideas and opinions thrown around, a bit of debate, see what I might pick up from you guys...
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Aug 22, 2003 14:17
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my last track was blasting full-on and goes like that: 2 second in the track and the kicks start kicking with sub-bass in the back. after that the vibe start to climb up and up till the 4th minute when 32 bars decay (long break) and then: chapter 2! the bass introduce the melody which going to kick in when the track change to a only-inda-head-morning psychedlia and again climbing up & up till the very end of the track.
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Aug 22, 2003 14:20
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actually to describe a track we need a more sophisticated envelope than just ADSR, maybe something like ADSASRSADSR ...
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solipt1c
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Posted : Aug 26, 2003 09:25
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Aug 26, 2003 16:38
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GEM_37
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Posted : Aug 26, 2003 17:13
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Well i have only just started making tracks so my terminoligy is a bit limited. The big words she confuses me ... |
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Anak
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Posted : Aug 26, 2003 23:12
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billy ambulance
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Posted : Aug 28, 2003 11:45
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I wrote the enevelope idea just for exmple.
it would be nice to hear about the tracks stracture in more "regular" words.
hmm..Anakoluth what do ya mean by "sustain till the peak"? if there is peak then its not sustain its attack again..
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