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OpenSourceCode
Datavore
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Posted : Apr 16, 2007 23:33
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Rob-
Generally I'm with you, i hate how stop-starty stuff can be these days. It's not really "trance" anymore.
But.
When I saw you spin at CoSM the other week, your DJ set (after the AWESOME M-Field set) had some of the wildest breaks and end-phrase freaky-deak madness I've ever heard.
Ever.
And they came so fast!
So what's up with that?
Is it just a matter of quality?
Or were you doing that yourself somehow with that crazy A&H mixer?
Much respect in any case. One of the best Live/DJ combo sets of all time. |
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rob-ot
M-Field
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 00:17
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Hi there OpenSourceCode.
Hehe, you caught me with my pants down  (you're talking about the gig in January right?)
My tastes shift and change, and when I bitch, like many people, its cuz i just overdose on too much of one thing.
However, I endeavor to play as much of my friends music as possible, becuase overall its just dope and I love supporting them. I played a lot of stuff off the new Vaporize 2 comp before it came out and yeah that stuff is really breaky. And I tend to ride out mixes for 1-2 minutes, so peaks of tracks will overlap closer depending on the structure of the track.
You're right when you said that if the quality of the track is high enough overall then i can overlook break/trick overuse. Such is the case with some of the stuff on Vaprorize 2 for example. Much respect to all the producers and to Lawrence of course, but we all have different tastes.
One things for sure, its a fine line as a performer, the breaks and the tricks do do wonders at the right time.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Apr 19, 2007 14:48
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 12:45
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ohh my god!!!! you said "hide"!!!!
FINALLY!! It's OUT!! thank you! 
The question is:
Why is there a break?
1: because the arrangement, storyline needs it
2: because the song would be boring otherwise
3: because it's faishon to have them
4: to catch the listeners attention, because the song itself is to bad to do it (which is similar to 2)
Last week I was at a party. 90% of the breaks didn't make any musical sense at all. They where of the 2,3 or 4 kind.
Actually in my ears 90% of the songs didn't make any musical sense anyway, just distraction, playing around, technical show off.
Back to topic.
Wushes and explosions (also useful when you make nice music) can be done the easiest with long reverbs, bounced, reversed or not and additionaly processed with ANYthing.
You can go off from ANY source from pure noise to sine waves.
But as I see it most of the "grow like mushrooms" producers use sample CDs like vengeance and stuff, as well as librarys going around. not a big deal. not many real electronic soundesigners.
 Most of my music for you to download at:
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le barde
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 12:54
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if anyone wants to make a track with a break (or more) in each single bar, and break one more time to continue with breaky tricks ... please just do it!
but ok... probably don't call it psytrance |
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le barde
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 13:07
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but this is already a big part of what is music about.. no ?? ..
there are better distractions than others... and why "music" couldn't be only technical experiences.
hmm.. i don't say anyone is wrong here.. depends on what you like or not.
and there is a lot of non-sense music without any break  |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 13:19
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but this is already a big part of what is music about.. no ?? ..
there are better distractions than others... and why "music" couldn't be only technical experiences.
hmm.. i don't say anyone is wrong here.. depends on what you like or not.
and there is a lot of non-sense music without any break
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You are absolutely right. It depends on what you like.
I'm more the "expressive" type of guy and also like that music. I like the non distracting music which directly confronts me.
Music designed to distract is fine (not for me though, cause I almost can't meet the artist in it) It's a matter of taste for sure.
What I do not like is music, that pretends to be expressive, but actually is distracting. My comment above generally refered to that music (which is 90% in my ears).
The "technical" thing... thats just not for me. I want to be an artist, I want to hear artists, not craftsmen.
For me it's about music, "art", not "craft"
I learn the craft to do the art.
Just the craft is unintresting for me to make and to hear.
Most of my music for you to download at:
http://www.subconsciousmind.ch |
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le barde
Electrypnose
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 14:16
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i agree dude.
but it's a long and painful subject in my opinion.
lets work on.. whatever direction we take.
there will have anyway people who like it, find it expressive... and some others who will simply not get it and find it crap.
cheers |
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dija
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 14:33
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Indeed it is long and painful. As long as theres kids that know how to work a synthesizer there will always be music(sounds) that is/are technical based and not music based.
I wish we could get rid of it but we can't. It's so hard for me to find new good music because I don't feel like wading through all the garbage. |
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xaBBu
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 15:07
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Damn this is evolving into a real interesting thread.
I have a little annotation to this: Did it ever happen to any of you that you heard a new "style" in your genre and first could not even bear to listen to it? But once your ears and (i guess) your mind gets used to it , you start to get interested more and more...
This may really depend on the persons way of listening to music... but for me it does happen on a regular basis.
What is making me wonder though: ears can make the difference between just "produced like everyone else does at this time" and "this is exactly this one artitst, I can hear it"... this difference can get really blurry once everyone uses the same tricks/breaks/phrases/sounds (or whatever) over and over again. IMO this is the point where music can "get lost" because you cant even id the artist through his expression. On the other hand: Nowadays there are many "listeners" that tend to expect something FROM and dont even bother to listen TO the music.
I hope this statement makes at least a little sence  .
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 17:17
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hey xaBBu,
I understand perfectly what you mean. Now it's the question if you take the red pill or the blue pill... ermm.. wait.. wrong movie...
read this label mission:
http://www.fiin.ch/fiin/english/mission.shtml
maybe you like it
we set up a whole forum for artists and listeners who want "expressive", "personal", "characteristic" music. (With perfectly accepting any other approaches to music, just to make room for this kind)
forum.fiin.ch (but there are no english speaking subscribers so far... so only something going on in the german part of it... spread the word.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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le barde
Electrypnose
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Posted : Apr 20, 2007 22:31
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that would be an awesome service, having a music database and be able to search by checking options like ::
i want to sort out music with:
melodies, not too many breaks but some, irritated-powerfull and underground action in it, featuring dub or heavy metal influences..
yeah, i mean beeing able to choose the different elements you like and find the stuff you want.
like if you look for someone on a "meeting website"
i would say it's a kind of normal proccess that something people like, they will do it a lot. Then becomes boring and some will find another new interesting way to get out the loop.. and so on.
music is so damn borders free... if we are bored with the music we can get, we could let the others go the way they like and make what we wish to hear... so we can make ourself happy and will be a part of the whole improvement. |
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rob-ot
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 02:13
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this is turning out to be an intersting thread, that was my intention in starting it, not to 'bitch' too much, but to open up a dialoge. its nice that such talented and accomplished people like electrypnose have chimed in.
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shellbound
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 18:34
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i wanted to post a topic along the same lines this morning, but i found this and bumping it.
just curious to hear more on this topic.
do you guys think that (too many) breaks ruin the flow or the trance of a tune? or do they break the monotony and actually make tracks more interesting? do you spend a lot of time on them or do you treat them as simple punctuation marks and prefer to concentrate on the big things?
naturally, this is very subjective and also depends a lot on the style of psy we are talking about.
and of course no topic like this is complete without mentioning
GOLDRAYS... wtf.... lolz!!! |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 27, 2009 18:49
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Too many breaks do ruin the flow, for me at least. Its cool to have some kind of 1 bar break every say 32 bars, especially if it helps raise the drive. But I don't like longer than 1 bar breaks (besides the breakdown), filtering out and back in the bottom/top end of the kick and bass, stuff that is generally happening a lot in israeli full on tunes and I also dont like glitched out odd bars of weirdness, spread out in the tune in short intervals, stuff that is trendy in "dark psy" (the few stuff I've heard anyway) and ruin the flow of some perfectly good tunes for "unpredictabilty's" sake...its like, here's a nice groove that drives along your feet and gets you excited for more driving stuff that will follow...now here's a few bars of dBlue glitch and beatless noise...surprise!
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts |
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