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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 02:15:08
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So,with a help of a cosmic forces and accelerations,I got it pass the buildup (sort of),and now,well,I guess it is the part where the bassline kicks in and the acid vibrations between your neurons get resonator from the couple of eternal melodical minutes.
Bla bla bla,how should one do an elevation just before the psy in psytrance starts?I just want it to rip the madarchoda out of the listener.I did the ole corny kick thing (put kick every 4 bars,every 2 bars,every one,tatatatatatatatatatatatatattttttttttttttt),the multiband fadeout on melody,but it ain't feel just enough to fukk up the unfukable.
I looked for tutorials here,on youtube,but haven't found much.What am I missing?
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loki
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 03:02
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for biogenesis/azax/etc sounding stuff, vary the kick more... lots of mini buildups within buildups... glitch the fuck out of everything right before the drop.... imo a lot of this is kinda boring.
three great things i use are
1) bringing the lead line in from a descending hi-pass filter, while lowering the reverb send amount as well... it makes the sound seem like it's far, far away and coming closer.
2)automating pan on just about every channel (cutoff as well sometimes) to make each sound seem like it's spiraling in or out of control, circling the listener, and then making the stereo field neat again as you hit the drop. this works great with rising kick/bass, too, as it has the effect of the rhythm seeming to "pull" everything else back into the centre.
3) if you have a shuffling, busy snare channel, and lots of hi hats, bring them in with a rising lowpass filter... sounds like trippy noise when it's low, then slowly sounds more and more like snare/hi hats.
oh, and use a crash right at the drop... or a gong, or whatever, be creative!
listen to your favourite tunes and see what they do.
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 03:49
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On 2010-10-11 03:02, loki wrote:
for biogenesis/azax/etc sounding stuff, vary the kick more... lots of mini buildups within buildups... glitch the fuck out of everything right before the drop.... imo a lot of this is kinda boring.
three great things i use are
1) bringing the lead line in from a descending hi-pass filter, while lowering the reverb send amount as well... it makes the sound seem like it's far, far away and coming closer.
2)automating pan on just about every channel (cutoff as well sometimes) to make each sound seem like it's spiraling in or out of control, circling the listener, and then making the stereo field neat again as you hit the drop. this works great with rising kick/bass, too, as it has the effect of the rhythm seeming to "pull" everything else back into the centre.
3) if you have a shuffling, busy snare channel, and lots of hi hats, bring them in with a rising lowpass filter... sounds like trippy noise when it's low, then slowly sounds more and more like snare/hi hats.
oh, and use a crash right at the drop... or a gong, or whatever, be creative!
listen to your favourite tunes and see what they do.
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Hmm,ok...Can you bear with me,I'm having troubles decifering half of what people say in here  .
a)What is "glitch"?How one supposed to do that?
b)"bringing the lead line in from a descending hi-pass filter, while lowering the reverb send amount as well... it makes the sound seem like it's far, far away and coming closer."
Ok,you mean,cuting the high freq. and at the same time lowering the "wet" part of reverb,on my lead?
c)Ok,lowpass on shuffling,check...I've actually have no snares at all,should I have them?They kinda sound out of context in the stuff I did.Probably I just don't have an ear for it still,but I haven't heard snares much at all in psy stuff..
Sorry for being a dumbfukk,but you all guys had your moment of start some day
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*eLliSDee*
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 05:19
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i guess the one more slow pitch raise won't end the world. incredibly lame, but effective.
or you can do something unexpectedly creative that will change the psy-scence for the next 10 years.
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loki
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 06:03
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no problem jekvan!
a) glitch... also called stutter... sounds like the song is "stuttering" or like your cd is "skipping" for a moment... just search...
b) almost - what i mean is... put a hipass filter on it, and start with the frequency very, very high... then lower it slowly until you hear your whole sound. at the same time, start with the reverb very wet, and then make it dryer and dryer as you lower the hipass filter. when you are finished after 8 or 32 beats or whatever, it should have a very low hipass filter and a very low amount of reverb.
c) the snares are there - just listen a little harder. often, snares in some psy may not sound like snares - just blasts of white noise and punchiness on the offbeats.
hope that helps! again, listen to the tunes you like and try to see what they do, and brainstorm for interesting ways to combine and mix around those ideas!
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Kryten
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 08:40
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Not to be rude, but I think to "fukk up the unfukable. "  one needs to be skilled and expirienced.
So don't be frustrated if you dont fukk up so much when you start out with these things. I guess its a loong way until one builds something epic.... |
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 17:10
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On 2010-10-11 08:40, Kryten wrote:
Not to be rude, but I think to "fukk up the unfukable. " one needs to be skilled and expirienced.
So don't be frustrated if you dont fukk up so much when you start out with these things. I guess its a loong way until one builds something epic....
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Shit man,I agree to every letter.No illusions here...
I just want to speed up the learning curve a bit (sleepeless nights playing with DAW is fun,but not always ),so "fukk the unfakable" is probably a way to ask people to share their secrets |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 19:57
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One of the best ways to speed up the learning curve in any subject be it psy trance, philosophy or sandwich making is to ask the right question.
Your original post is frankly nonsensical....the psy in psytrance? rip the madarchoda out of someone?
Yes, this music does interesting things to the brain of the listener, but its not like people are pouring magical mystery dust from fairy land into their DAW....its technical shit, and you need to know a lot about synthesis and engineering to be able to manipulate sound in a way that is interesting enough to stimulate people.
If you looked here and on youtube and haven't found much, you are honestly pretty bad at looking. I came to this forum 10 months or so ago and have made a pretty concerted effort to read the stickies and past content and I am still probably barely touching the surface of how much this forum can teach me - people of all levels from newbie to trance legend HAVE been sharing their secrets, its just that you haven't taken the time to look around for them.
My advice is to spend some time with the stickies and the search button for a while and develop enough grasp of synthesis language and understanding of the type of music that you want to create so that you can actually ask an intelligently phrased question that someone will be able to respond to with some specificity.
It will take time. Even for pros its normal to spend 2-4 years per album, so I would think it would be relatively normal for it to take a couple of years to develop enough knowledge to produce music well enough for it to be played out or released.
cheers
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 21:52
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LOL,
I did understand what he meant. |
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 22:08
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Dude,ok,man...like I said,I do understand what you say and agree,like I wrote.I know my post came as an arrogant,and specialy from someone who just laid his hands on DAW two month ago.
Just a god honest question : What people do in their elevations,pass the buildup?Not much technical language I can use here in my question,certainly not much syntesis lingo.
Again,I know the thread is arrogant as fuck,but I believe in preservation of time and exponential learning curve.I am no little kid who laid his hands on his first 303 or something,I have practical electronic behind me and I'm now studying engineering major bsc,so learning technical manuals or understanding syntesis is the least of my concerns (which I do by nights,instead of sleeping or studying for exams,or other more enjoyable practices).When one looks at Fourier transform to solve differential equation (which is in simple language and transposed to our matter,why we do EQ),suddenly learning how to equalize is great fun .
I read the mother of all ... threads every day , but at some point,when one cannot find what he is looking for (and it is out there,but needs to be digged),it is time to become a dumbfuck and ask a question.Saves the time for all .
So,god honest question,what to do pass the initial buildup,up to that first drop.Throw at me technical stuff man.P.S:Great signature,Carl Sagan was outstanding scientist and a great pothead.
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 22:42
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Ok, after build up:
- A bar of silence, chopped up samples, glitched lead, fx or whatever, look for my innovative breaks thread.
Then the drop:
- Drop the bassline n kick only for instant win and dancefloor screaming "oooooh"
- Drop bassline + standard percussion
- Drop bassline + alternative percussion or fx
- Drop full beat + leads
- Drop fake bassline + fx then fade to build up again
- Drop anything + crash + smashin hit + delay + verb
- Drop alternative beat / groove
- Drop to silence and introduce song's motive
It all depends on the part of the track you are actually dropping and the amount of energy / impact you want to release.
Sometimes a reversed sound (kick, percussion, fx) right before the first kick of the upcoming drop can create a nice "sucking" effect.
Some reverb / delay tail after drop that contains some remains of the previous build up can bring dimension to sound.
Well that comes to my mind right now, try some of that and develop some of your own ideas.
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 11, 2010 23:21
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Also:
- Drop to bassline + pad / ambience / atmosphere
Very cool indeed.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 00:01
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Buildups are overused
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Plasmorh
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 03:19
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On 2010-10-12 00:01, Shiranui wrote:
Buildups are overused
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waaaaaaaaaaah +10
I want a spare brain.... or 2. |
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aciduss
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Posted : Oct 12, 2010 15:42
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Your brain is overused.
Yo mama too. xD
jk
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