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Grevinsky
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 11:42
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On 2011-04-08 07:47, mk47 wrote:
^ lol .. ok i was bit sloppy when i opened this topic , a beer too many .... so scrap the "message" word there .. basically i wanted to know peoples thoughts on if a psytrance track could actually "be about something" , or is it just random trip/dance music
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I think willsanquil pretty much nailed it.
The difference from music with lyrics and electronic/psychedelic music is that with lyrics the message is there. You listen to it and BAM, the artist message is in your head. You can ignore it if you want but its there concrete and solid.
With electronic/psychedelic music. Its up to your self to interpret the music however you want. Ofcourse you lead the listener into a narrow path, which will induce kind of a feeling or an atmosphere.
But still its all up too the listeners interpretation.
So its about what ever the listeners interpret it too, Best possible solution ever! |
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kotton
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 11:51
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I see Psy Trance as a genre inside EDM and apart from brainfuck and DANCE!!! I dont see it as a complex musical expression. Psy trance is kinnda empty and with all those random crazy samples you hear you cant even take it seriously.... On the other hand you have experimental electronic music which I see as a meta music or some more serious music which is not bond to soooo many rules as psytrance is. Real music is just a pure expression of someones thoughts, feelings, explorations and its not about certain bpm range and danceable patterns...
So no I dont see psytrance as a serious thing even. But I like it alot  |
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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 16:14
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Psy trance is kinnda empty and with all those random crazy samples you hear you cant even take it seriously....
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Done the right way it can be something more than empty music with all those sounds
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So no I dont see psytrance as a serious thing even. But I like it alot
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Probably because you don't understand it, it's easy to say that it isn't serious music, the hard part is to understand it, feel it and imagine the possibilities.
In general, you like it but you think it's empty music, you should check if you like jazz or somethin
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 17:10
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On 2011-04-08 11:51, kotton wrote:
I see Psy Trance as a genre inside EDM and apart from brainfuck and DANCE!!! I dont see it as a complex musical expression. Psy trance is kinnda empty and with all those random crazy samples you hear you cant even take it seriously.... On the other hand you have experimental electronic music which I see as a meta music or some more serious music which is not bond to soooo many rules as psytrance is. Real music is just a pure expression of someones thoughts, feelings, explorations and its not about certain bpm range and danceable patterns...
So no I dont see psytrance as a serious thing even. But I like it alot
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you must abandon forum now. thnx.
:/ Really man... I don't think psytrance is empty, there is good music and bad music in every genre there are some really passionated and inspirational jewels in the psytrance realm not empty but full of delightful information and emotion in the form of sequenced ear candy music.
Sure there's a bunch of crap but you can't say psytrance is empty because of latest bizarre contact cd. |
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dreadieg
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 19:25
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i mean, compared to at least 50% of music out there, and about 80% of electronic, psytrance has mad crazy soul in it.
i think it's cause it's coupled with a high level of standards, both with writing it, playing it out, and the parties it's played at.
not that other scenes aren't as hardcore about standards, but it seems that psy has the more concentrated amount of pissy audiophile synth nerds..... |
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kotton
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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 01:20
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Sorry guys, didnt mean to offend you.
I think that psytrance is music genre, it has very strict rules and very similar structures, sounds and such... It can be very thought out and complex in its own "trance" way. Its like comparing a sci-fi book and some real, serious literature. I wont and cant argue about distinction between tyranny of genre forms and true work of art, but I see certain difference...
I had amazing experiences with psy music, it think it is very evolved or maybe the most evolved form of dance music, but my point is that I "miss" certain depth and freedom in trance. Actually Im not searching for that in trance at all cus diffrent music gives you different levels of experience. And maybe, just maybe, there is more to this music thing than steady KBBB beat and trippy sounds and random take drugs, travel trough space samples... Even if youre on LSD...
So can I please still like trance and stay on this forum? thnx. |
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Padmapani
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 23:15
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@kotton
if you were talking just about fullon i'd agree with you. but psytrance is so much more than that.
listen to dimension 5 - polaris, then pleiadians - full mental jackpot, and then to talpa - frock.
neither do they lack depth nor freedom (imho). each track uses dramatically different sounds than the other, creates a unique soundscape and atmosphere and last but not least each track tells a story.
i think this is worlds apart from the fun but indeniably often shallow psytrance we get to hear at 90% of the parties... |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 01:02
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@ kotton
your post hurts my brain. The 'comparing sci fi or some real, serious literature' thing? Have you ever read any decent sci-fi?
No, star wars novels don't count. Just as you assume that Sci Fi is not capable of 'seriousness' or 'depth' or 'freedom' you assume the same of psytrance and in my opinion you are dead wrong.
Sci fi and Psy are no different than any other form of music or literature on the planet in that 95% of all of it is shit. That 5% though is SPECIAL
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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kotton
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 01:59
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I was talking trance in general as a music. And yes, there are some genius pieces of music in psy trance. But my point is, trance cannot really capture all the depths of our thoughts and emotions. They cannot be even articulated in this form and type of music. Trance cannot really express complex messages and views. It is music made for body and mind bending, nothing wrong with that. Youve probably seen recently how bizzare it was with that hitler trance thing. Trance simply doesnt have the capacity to capture and translate such a complex topic.
And, for the record, I really like decent sci fi books, but probably you dont understand the beauty of real literature which can be free of any predetermined form and conventions. Just pure thoughts ... Same goes for music...
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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 02:11
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if psytrance can't capture those depths and emotions, either you are a really sensitive guy who cries watching the sunrise or you do like psychedelic trance but you're too ignorant to see the true beauty of it
and yes general trance is way too comercial, GENERAL TRANCE, not psytrance, don't get those mistaken
and yet you claim general trance can't capture those depths, but can any other genre do that? i mean, you can't go deep hearing a vocal, a guitar and a 80 bpm track, i mean, you can, if you're sad about something
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kotton
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 02:32
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Again, I see the beauty of psytrance, I really like it (mostly dark progressive stuff). And Im reffering to psy trance, I wouldnt dare to go even deeper with commercial trance in this debate .
Yes, some music can capture the most complex movement of thoughts and emotions. Trance just cant do that. It cant carry such emotional depth as certain music music can. Im not talking about specific genre. Again, the hitler trance was so out of the range of trance music that it was utterly repulsive and I could never ever dance to hitler words in trance (dont want to offend the
author of the song, Im not talking about production side here). But I do know music which has dealt with this sensitive things in a respectful and meaningful way.
And for the record, Im am a sensitive guy and there is no TRUE beauty 
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 05:44
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piXan
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Posted : Apr 13, 2011 02:54
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i think some kinds of electronic music like trance seem to be more oriented towards basic neural processes , like perception and emotion rather than complex cognitive ideas or social abstractions. so i think trance has indeed a message, perhaps a more "primitive" kind
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piXan
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Posted : Apr 13, 2011 05:11
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