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mk47
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 21:57:46
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so , a recently banned thread here dealt with a potentially controversial topic , hitler something .. anyway , my random thought that led me to open this tompic ..
is it even possible for electronic music to have a message ? .. pro this , anti that , whatever ..
for me , in trance etc , random samples can work great and you could theme a track around it , or , find a fitting sample to fit into whatever you may have going .. but it remains a smallish part of the whole. sure , you could name a track cleverly around a spoken word sample , but can it have a "message" .. like in a song .. to everyone , not just the composer/creator ?
not that's its important for any music , whatever genre , to have a message or anything ... some music  only ?
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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 22:03
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On 2011-04-07 21:57:46, mk47 wrote:
so , a recently banned thread here dealt with a potentially controversial topic , hitler something .. anyway , my random thought that led me to open this tompic ..
is it even possible for electronic music to have a message ? .. pro this , anti that , whatever ..
for me , in trance etc , random samples can work great and you could theme a track around it , or , find a fitting sample to fit in whatever you may have going .. but it remains a smallish part of the whole. sure , you could name a track cleverly around a spoken word sample , but can it have a "message" .. like in a song .. to everyone , not just the composer/creator ?
not that's its important for any music , whatever genre , to have a message or anything ... some music only ?
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why is hitler popular in the four courners of the world?
you have your answer, the other topic i think it was blocked so no further political discussions could start
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 22:11
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eh ? i am trying to ask a much broader question here , nothing to do with hitler or the banned thread
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 22:29
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Yes it is pretty common... don't you listen to psytrance? Lots of samples and ideas on everything from goblins to conspiracy theories.
Many tracks about one becoming crazy and drug use for example... is fun. |
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 22:38
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On 2011-04-07 22:29, aciduss wrote:
Yes it is pretty common... don't you listen to psytrance? Lots of samples and ideas on everything from goblins to conspiracy theories.
Many tracks about one becoming crazy and drug use for example... is fun.
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sure is fun , and i love it  , but you still missed my random query . lemme ask again , take a theme .. any random theme .. despair , love , anti establishment , bla .. whatever .. could any of these themes possibly be put out , in a .. umm .. electronic music way ?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 22:42
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Pretty sure that he knows that samples are used, but the way I read the post he was asking if it is possible for those samples/some tracks to go beyond just being silly or funny or dancey and to 'actually mean something'
Personally one of the reasons I like psytrance is that that message or 'meaning' is specific to the listener. You create your own reality and you can interpret things in the tracks as you see fit. It's not like you have some singer rabbiting on about his shitty love life or how life sucks - 99.9% of the time song lyrics do not resonate with me at all, but for some reason trippy sounds do.
You can imbue your track will all the meaning and message in the world but in the end it's up to the listener.
For me, it's obvious that tracks can have meaning. If they didn't I wouldn't have had so many amazing emotional/inspirational moments on the dancefloor. Why is it that one track can evoke such a depth of feeling and emotion and another leave me flat?
Something is going on there 
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 23:00
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^ sure , same for me , honestly .. jim morisson rambling on about some lizard crap seemed very fucking retarded on acid when i heard that , as did floyd(apart from the solos) .. lol , electronic music . and psy in particular gives each person their own space to do their own "walk down the hallway" (acid or any other drugs involved or not)
... but my question remains ,
... can you put a "message" in there (like a song) , or its not possible .. again , not that their has to be one anyway .
ill like any specific genre of music for whatever it is , metal for example .. love children of bodom ... just don't have any idea what they singing 
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 23:32
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it's totally possible.
What I find even more interesting is the listener creating and finding their own message in a track that you didn't consciously intend
For instance, when I posted one of my earliest tracks to facebook an old high school friend said it gave him visions of running through an 8 bit alien landscape as some sort of ninja, going on an epic quest of some sort.
Not exactly a 'message' - but I still thought it was pretty cool.
I bet if I'd put in a bunch of Terrence quotes and samples blaming it all on the aliens then that might never have materialized because I was influencing the listener's mind 'too much' with samples and therefor reduced the amount of 'world/message/story' creation that they have to do.
Samples are a fickle bitch - its super tempting to try to force someone down a particular path that you find interesting.
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vipal
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 00:23
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i agree with that. according to my taste: samples can have a messsage but there should be enough space for the listener to have his/her own interpretation. they are best if they are ambigious (dont know how to write that word but its like a rorschach test, the perceiver makes his own interpretation in it). clear messages without space for interpretation annoy me, even if i agree with the message itself. it makes things flat. |
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supergroover
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 00:49
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I have a message: there is no message
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 01:18
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just like everything in music, it's subjective. I may rail against hand-holding in samples...but would Hallucinogen - LSD be as special to me without the sample?
Things done well sound cool.
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vipal
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 03:41
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On 2011-04-08 00:49, supergroover wrote:
I have a message: there is no message
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sounds like a potentially great sample |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 04:35
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with psytrance it s subliminal message you can put into the music... buy my music and dont download it at - 20 db during the 8 minutes for example if you want to reach beatport top 10 |
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 07:47
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^ lol .. ok i was bit sloppy when i opened this topic , a beer too many .... so scrap the "message" word there .. basically i wanted to know peoples thoughts on if a psytrance track could actually "be about something" , or is it just random trip/dance music
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supergroover
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Posted : Apr 8, 2011 11:25
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On 2011-04-08 04:35, PoM wrote:
with psytrance it s subliminal message you can put into the music... buy my music and dont download it at - 20 db during the 8 minutes for example if you want to reach beatport top 10
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uh.. how can i download something at -20 db???
interpunction please =P
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