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electronic music is dumbing down music as a whole
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 04:27
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On 2009-09-09 21:08, rich wrote:
I can't go to psytrance parties anymore. I only go to the ones I play at, and I can't stay. I can't listen to that music. The stupidity is too much and I insult myself and my taste when I let it hit my ears. I'm an arrogant snob when it comes to music but I don't give a shit. There is better music out there that's not getting played and till it is, I'm not attending and subjecting myself to the drivel.
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my psy is better then your psy
regular psy additue of the 2000's , yawn. sure you dont play cheesy fullon? 
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 05:32
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If you talk about dance music, then it supposed to make you dumb and dance to repeatitive rhythms, and munch pills.. Exactly like Pac Man
If you try to fit Jazz for instance on trance music, then most probably you will come out with something intriguing the brains but not really entrancing, or danceable in my opinion.
There are some other elements to this kind of music that compensate the fact that its little "dumb". As for instance the almost infinite sound resources, totally wacko effect possibilities etc..
But really if you want to hear quality music, go listen to Peter Gabriel 
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 08:23
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On 2009-09-07 03:04, ocelot wrote:
and moby is riding the first horse, axe in hand. with william orbit on the second hmm maybe whomever it is that programs the synths and drums for all the russian pop music on the third horse. he has a machine gun of course  a computerized one.
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Wait wait, the last Moby album is actually very good. Pale Horses and Shot in The Back of The Head are both his best songs since I don't know when..
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 08:33
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On 2009-09-09 21:08, rich wrote:
I find this a really very interesting topic. One I've been giving a lot of thought to.
Pages of response in my head.
Colin I like your immediate responses and I agree. Also BigWigs you speak truth as well (as expected, considering the depth and intelligence of your music).
My grandfather, Putnam Aldrich, noted harpsichordist and Stanford musicologist spent some time with us when we lived in Indonesia to study Gamelan music in the 70s.
I remember numerous nights laying on bamboo maps staring up at the stars listening to this music. I was raised on that, jazz and classical. But I gravitated to those first few Black Sabbath albums, as well as any funk music I could find.
Why?
Anyway Aaron, I'm glad you are calling foul. Even if it is only on isratrance. Someone has to do it. Cos it's not just a trend that will pass, unfortunately. And it's not just in electronic music. Not just pop music either.
I can't go to psytrance parties anymore. I only go to the ones I play at, and I can't stay. I can't listen to that music. The stupidity is too much and I insult myself and my taste when I let it hit my ears. I'm an arrogant snob when it comes to music but I don't give a shit. There is better music out there that's not getting played and till it is, I'm not attending and subjecting myself to the drivel.
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No offense to all my friends that produce music and DJ the music I'm criticizing. you know who you are. We're still buddies
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And the award for the post of the month goes to..
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 08:40
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On 2009-09-11 05:32, Fu Hsi wrote:
If you talk about dance music, then it supposed to make you dumb and dance to repeatitive rhythms, and munch pills.. Exactly like Pac Man
If you try to fit Jazz for instance on trance music, then most probably you will come out with something intriguing the brains but not really entrancing, or danceable in my opinion.
There are some other elements to this kind of music that compensate the fact that its little "dumb". As for instance the almost infinite sound resources, totally wacko effect possibilities etc..
But really if you want to hear quality music, go listen to Peter Gabriel
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Yuli you are exaggerating again. Repetitiveness and monotony do not equal dumb. Plastikman and Philip Glass would like a word with you. Sometimes it's not about the notes but the space between them.
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Gunter
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 09:13
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Also, there is lots of classical music that`s very minimal and monton, e. g. Steve Reich, who was the inventor of classical minmal music.
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supergroover
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 11:35
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It might be true that electronic music is pretty boring music theory wise (no polyrhythm, no funny timesignatures etc) but i think there is one part where is has been doing alot of progress (that hasnt been mentioned in this thread so far) compared to all previous music: soundsculpting.
Before electronice music existed the number of sounds you could use in a piece of music was rather limited (guitar, drums, voice, orchestra etc), but now with numerous kinds of electronical devices you can create all the sounds you want. And you can also alter the existing ones to a new degree.
This might be one of the reasons why musicians arent looking for different timesignatures etc anymore. They are mostly focussing their time or creating new sounds in stead of different chordprogressions etc.
Does this make any sense? or am i just totally missing the point here
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 11:40
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What about electronic music is so different from traditional music that it cannot have these things?
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Merlot
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 13:54
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On 2009-09-11 11:35, supergroover wrote:
It might be true that electronic music is pretty boring music theory wise (no polyrhythm, no funny timesignatures etc)
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Fail. |
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supergroover
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 14:19
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 14:21
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Back in the days they maybe didn't have so much to choose from but the were way more creative with other things.. like recording techniques.. (true innovators of audio then !)
That's something i'm really interested in..
creating interesting timbre's and glow to the sometimes colder, direct signals... (playing your synth sounds out the window, bouncing on a wall into another window where a mic is recording the more special movements of air caused by a more creative analog path)
but i found enough musiscians who pay attention to these things.. really making.. 'fresh new music'
Listening to jazz i find that i get allot of funky idea's
in placing and grooving differently then the "snap-to-line" positions.. but also commercial pop can give me inspiration, as the quality of some of that shit can suprise me. mostly i resist the idea of making music for a goal other that the music itself (isn't it the darnest thing... to make tunes with money in mind?)
With psycho-trance it's hard to make drastic changes to their rhytmic structures cause ... i dunno.. the repetative kickbass is somehow needed to keep the power.... but with the sounds i seem to get more musical/rhythmythical everytime.. and i still experiment with rhythm intruments fulltime ...
I'm a lover of all music that has soul & feeling in it.. and sounds good ; ) (i'm very critical though.. one sound can spoil things for me)
Still i can also enjoy some 'dumb' music.. simple and cool. But i've grown to want way deeper, more extensive, rooted sounds and galaxies in music.
(Herbie Hancock - Sextant / Crossings / Thrust)
but again.. this is me.. and i listen to allooooot..
Sorry, don't like Peter Gabriel..
Really like some of the Pixies
Tipsy does fun sampling
Blood Red Throne used to make wicked music..
i can go on and on.. but these are my preferences/experiences/memories.
i see psychedelic as the most interesting at the moment.. audio-wise.. engineer-wise.
People buy records because they get memories with the tunes they hear.. emotions attached... Ofcousre allot of us really listen to the MUSIC itslef and what things are being attempted and done in those pieces.
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 14:49
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On 2009-09-11 05:32, Fu Hsi wrote:
If you talk about dance music, then it supposed to make you dumb and dance to repeatitive rhythms, and munch pills.. Exactly like Pac Man
If you try to fit Jazz for instance on trance music, then most probably you will come out with something intriguing the brains but not really entrancing, or danceable in my opinion.
There are some other elements to this kind of music that compensate the fact that its little "dumb". As for instance the almost infinite sound resources, totally wacko effect possibilities etc..
But really if you want to hear quality music, go listen to Peter Gabriel
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Yuli you are exaggerating again. Repetitiveness and monotony do not equal dumb. Plastikman and Philip Glass would like a word with you. Sometimes it's not about the notes but the space between them.
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Pavel I know the notes and what between, still my late mother who was trained classical pianist, disregarded electronic music completely, and not because she was closed minded but because she had a point. Don't get me wrong, I love electronic music and what I do, but, when I want to hear something really special I go for ppl that actually play instruments.
About the examples that you gave, both of them are not really dance music... Ofcourse here and there there is a track or two, but Plastikman is "brain" stuff, its totally not "legs" stuff. Dance music is "legs" stuff especially nowadays... And I believe that is what the thread all about, no?
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Fu Hsi
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 14:51
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AND Pavel,
Indeed repititiveness and monotony are equal to dumb... Since even in meditation, that is built upon repititiveness and monotony, one must become "dumb" / "tabula rasa" to enter the state of meditation.
Prostitution rests
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 17:49
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On 2009-09-11 14:51, Fu Hsi wrote:
AND Pavel,
Indeed repititiveness and monotony are equal to dumb... Since even in meditation, that is built upon repititiveness and monotony, one must become "dumb" / "tabula rasa" to enter the state of meditation.
Prostitution rests
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Objection your honour!
I sure see where you get at and I have been siding your mother's view more and more recently.
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 18:11
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this thread is dumbing down the forum as a whole
so many taste for music , and everyone will try to say his point of view is the 'ultimate' one. yawn x 2.
and my own point of view wich isnt better then yours:
shpongle
ozric tentacles
squarepusher
rest my case
elevate spirit and music content
and psytrance? well i know it has its place in my heart and specialy in my barefoot dance... its like the shamanic trance rituals... i dont come to look for repetative idiotic music sorry. i think when i go to gigs its of top notch artists that also have polyrhythm, its funny for sure!! and use different timesignatures (haltya tamlin texas faggott neuron compost reality pixie diggressio traviato and many many more!!)
sure its not jazz , but hey in jazz concert i never got into reall mad trance dance , so sorry jazz lack something too.. its all about what you look for from the first place
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