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electronic music is dumbing down music as a whole
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aXis
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 06:39
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maybe u are complex cos ur music sounds like its pretty much trying to do wat it can . Doesnt seem like ur making wat u have in ur head. Ur making wat u CAN .
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aXis
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 06:40
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On 2009-09-05 22:45, Basilisk wrote:
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On 2009-09-05 20:57, ocelot wrote:
all electronic dance music is essentially monkeys playing "chopsticks" on automatic-music-making-machines.
some excels beyond this into the realm of sublime actual music. not much IMO... |
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Just wondering... given all the deficiencies you rant on about, is there anything in your own discography that we might check out to hear something different, something reflecting your higher understanding of these matters?
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lol |
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iTranscendence
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 06:48
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On 2009-09-07 05:26, Junosis wrote:
if you think the electronic scene/industry is bad just check out hip hop these days. you'll feel a lot better about edm.
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Yeah if anything the banality of mainstream hip pop is bleeding over into EDM on the mainstream level EG: armin vantiesto dykmau5
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aXis
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 06:58
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yes its cheap u mofos. U want Cheap fuel , cheap whores , cheap weed. But when it comes to music being made free of cost u have ur panties up in a bunch ?
Fakin hipocrates. |
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aXis
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 06:59
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and Its the MUSIC in YOU.
Please stop spreading negativity.
And ocelot, Good luck , im sure if u dislike ur music so much , No1 wud wanna listen to it either. |
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aXis
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 07:06
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jusst for MUSIC go listen to armic van buren or mayb even telefon tel aviv or maybe even WILL.I.Am, BEP NERD pharrel williams will u now ? |
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 09:57
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eh well its nice to see so many people care and have such diverse opinions about what they think i said.
i'll reserve the right to think and do what i want but thanks for all the advice.
i dont find it arrogant to point out where we collectively are arrogant. one need not be perfect to criticize- critique, while easier than doing something about it (which i usually am also doing if you follow my story at all. im making a wide variety of things and pushing myself. i dont claim to have any revolutionary discoveries. if someone feels me an egoist well have fun i think you missed the point and dont want to look at what i am saying.) is a valid thing in an of itself.
i do stand by my original sentence
electronic music is dumbing down music as a whole.
i regret being a general cheerleader for electronica in my life. most of it sucks.
i now reserve my support for good music from across the board. no free pass for electronica just because its electronic.
and enough with the personal attacks. even snide sneaky ones. lets be civil. somewhat |
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Hex Osirus
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 10:00
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Do u listen to autechre? They seem to be all that u wish electronic music to be...so if u do then i dont know why u complain so much as u cannot expect the average person to enjoy this...
Face it man....music right now for the masses is not what it used be...people rarely just sit down turn some music on and just LISTEN...i know very few people who still do that and have a real appreciation for what is being made and played...and thats why it is what it is cos there is noone actually listening properly....music is just another thing to go with something else...like driving, walking, gym, dancing, fucking, while surfing the net, general background....no-more can people turn music on, shut the fuck up, and just listen....it annoys me but i can do that when im in my room alone so its cool...
And that experience u shared of sitting at the chillout floor of a party, listening to generic indian samples and sitar shite ahahaha,,, ive had many of those moments myself...and i just laugh it off man,,,seriosly, first of all i hate the term CHILLOUT music...especially in context to the trance scene...but if people enjoy it so much then whose to say anything?? You know better? Thats gr8...keep it too urself...cos noone cares...
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 10:02
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enough with confusing threads here...
i am not asking for jazz or noodly music here...(in this thread)
i am saying, the borg of shit electronica has invaded every corner and i regret being a general supporter of electronica
whats so frikking hard to understand about that?
about the last post- you are right. music is just a soundtrack to peoples lives... they dont care so much to listen.
and autechre is very nice.
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day_tripper
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 10:28
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In the 70's Dylan's fans were furious cause he went from the poetic singer with a guitar to a poetic singer with a guitar and a backing orchestra(More focus on the sound instead of his lyrics) .
Now we are furious cause infected mushroom started to sing.
Go figure.
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mk47
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 10:40
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Pavel i think , said it right , it could be an age thing , I find myself consuming electronic music in general and psytrance in particular in exponentially less quantities past few years .. whatever works for you i guess , but yeah , its been embarrassing to say stuff like psytrance is your fav music for a while now , there was a time though , long ago when id be very uptodate with every new johnny dreadlock making music in Norway or whatever .. but its not right to blame the music gone wrong , hey , still a whole bunch of people who really enjoy a whole bunch of electronic and psytrance eh ?
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gutter
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 11:24
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best thread ive ever read on isra
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 12:00
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i think electronic music made me smarter...if it wasnt for the 170bpm life would be boring and i would be attending Hannah Montana and Justin Timberlake and 50cents concerts.
Imagine how dumb POP could have made me...
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 12:11
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To start about looking back. It is a new generation, and as good postmodernist, if something does not work you look back into what worked, de-construct it from your own current framework and then reconstruct it.
I have not read the whole thread, maybe 2 pages. I want to add my lil grain of sand. I have been listening to all kinds of music since I was very small. I barely play an instrument mainly because my father wanted me to learn guitar and I wanted to learn piano... in the end and after many years I can start fooling around with a keyboard and try different harmonies and melodies on it. Seft tought of course. I love music since it great conveying emotions as a message. As far as music theory I got to 2nd level harmony, dominant of a dominant, subdominant of the dominant, dominant of the subdominant...etc. I am not a musician by far. And my hearing is far from absolute. This about me.
About electronic music as a whole. God knows I digged, and digged... and digged some more to that guy who released 200 copies from his house in neverland... for the love ot it. I was looking for two things in music: Energy and emotions. I have realized that sometimes I play too emotional lacking energy or I bang the hell out of people with some more abstract. The combination of these two elements is shortly lived in the bins. But it happened with Goa trance in my case.
What needs to be clear here, is that masterpieces come from hard work, unprecedented inspiration and full knowledge of the medium. The last concert I went to see was John Adams in Miami. I was lucky enough to be with a graduate student of music composition, who took me only to concerts of living composers... and who usually directed the orchestra. They would explain some of the techniques used. My favorite concert was the one from John Adams, since (although minimalistic) he is able to create amazing dramatic tense moments through his music. I was just amazed of his knowledge and use of the orchestra. The effect on me was immediate and inspiring.
As for techno... Rarely I would say, you will find a musician spending more than a month in a track. They need to produce and be prolific if you live from it. Music as we all know is not the most profitable business. If you also combine traveling and gigs... this even narrows down the time available to sit down and foreplay the muse, to reach a high mental state to open the flood gates of inspiration. Many musicians become trapped in the need to produce quantity and take advantage of the recognition they might have in the moment. Also this continues change and odds and bits of time to produce it restrains the creative flow, as people usually manage many dimensions of their life parallel to the creative process... difussing focus. Although relying on what has been created to produce. But, there is buyers for it. So the music in the end is affected and becomes simpler and more standarized. Complex thinking is not immediate, it requires a process and focus, unless you are a genious, of course.
Also about using the whole spectrum of available combinations in western music in trance or other styles. I say it is not only to use the tools, but how you use them. Many times I heard many electronic artists using such elements. It shows they are masters of knowledge. They also can express themselves easily through their instrument. It really works for the Aw factor and many times for inspiring the rest... but it is also easy to fall music stereotypes and elements which might sound... for the lack of other word... Cheessy. The clear example is the trained musician who plays in a restaurant.
Also, with music as with all creative, after you have condition yourself it is hard to de-condition and break free from what you have used or learned. Because many people end up learning some ways of composing and playing music which will become systematic after a while. This will make the music in the end sound similar to other pieces done in the past, and will stop development and innovation. The clear example is the artist who makes an incredible 1 or 2 albums, but then is stuck in the same sound for the rest of his life.
In psy trance we have it in all flavors. Nowadays, you need to dig, but there is something for all. I hear, abstract, melodic, retro, jazzy, quirky  , simple, complex, chill, hard, groovy... For me a perfect trance... is the music that moves me and that makes me feel joy. Originality is a must, because I can't bring myself down to the same experience i already lived. It is the present that drives me. What artists need to think... as I try to do myself with the music I make for utter fun... is to slowdown and create this music with a long scope in time. It is craftmanship, it requires patience, dedication and TIME.
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Ellon
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Posted : Sep 7, 2009 12:24
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On 2009-09-07 10:02, ocelot wrote:
enough with confusing threads here...
i am not asking for jazz or noodly music here...(in this thread)
i am saying, the borg of shit electronica has invaded every corner and i regret being a general supporter of electronica
whats so frikking hard to understand about that?
about the last post- you are right. music is just a soundtrack to peoples lives... they dont care so much to listen.
and autechre is very nice.
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Be a supporter for electronica music and its true musicians and leave the crap outside!!!!
There is only good and bad music and/or music that touches you or not (which actually doesn't have to be great music), and electronic music has its good musicians and its fare share of crap...like all the different styles of music!!!!
There is nothing wrong about a guy who seats at home/studio in front of his computer/synth and writes/composes his music..he's no worst musician than the guy who's playing the guitar or the violin...the principles are the same!!!!
https://soundcloud.com/arglebarglemusic
http://soundcloud.com/turvytopsy
http://soundcloud.com/capecodplatform |
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