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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 00:51
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I agree with Ocelot (...OMG, did I just say that?!...  ) on this one:
Ego is there because it needs to be there. You can modify it but you should not completely get rid of it, even for a moment. Whenever somebody tells you to kill your ego, it's just a ruse to benefit his own ego at the expense of yours. Hence, the popularity of this concept in religious cults, military and correctional institutions. |
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rich
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 01:06
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^ True. Ego, or nafsu, the Indonesian term I was raised with, is definitely a necessary component to living as humans in the world.
It's when there's too much that's at issue.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 01:29
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On 2010-11-16 00:51, Maine Coon wrote:
Ego is there because it needs to be there. You can modify it but you should not completely get rid of it, even for a moment.
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Having an ego and a defined sense of self is evolutionarily advantageous, particularly so when you live in a harsh environment and have to deal with sabre tooth tigers, advancing hoardes of savages, or a more modern example like the job market where you'll be pretty fucked if you can't talk yourself up a bit. So yes, there are plenty of examples of Ego benefitting you and humility taking a backseat in service to your own survival.
However - I disagree with you in that you shouldn't completely get rid of it - eveyrone should experience the loss of their ego, even if it only happens for an indescribable unit of micro-time! It is impossible (at least in my experience!) to completely rid yourself of Ego forever, but the ego-death/crush/obliteration/etc I have experieneced under the influence has been *incredibly* instructive and has been quite helpful to me in my own quest to be more a more humble and peaceful human. It is impossible to overstate the significance of some of those experiences.
A little excerpt from an interview with Simon Posford that I'm quite fond of...
Q: What's all the fuss about drugs?, Do you think drugs are a necessary part of psychedelic music appreciation?
A: No I think altered states of consciousness are achievable without drugs, but something like DMT can replace 30 years of serious yoga and meditation, in one deep breath!
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 03:24
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To me “ego” means just a sense of self, that’s all. Whether it means realizing your place in this world or being an insufferable egotistical jerk – those are just “kinds” of ego. BTW, that Indonesian term “nafsu” comes from the Arabic term “nafs”, which actually means “self”. When you align your-self with the Divine (whether you define it as God or the New Age Oneness or both), you don’t destroy “self”, you just free it from bullshit. That’s not exactly how Imam Al-Ghazali would’ve explained it but that’s pretty much how I understand it.  |
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rich
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 04:07
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^ Yup!
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mudpeople
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 06:55
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If you lose your ego, you lose the tool you use to interact with consensus reality, what we usually call 'reality', and withdraw into your internal reality (we all have one, in some strange way its real too). Its healthy to remind the ego that it isn't the one holding the reigns now and then, but its not necessary to be rid of it. Infinite nothing is what we all are, all one together, but our egos give us individuality, and allow the infinite nothing to experience something other than... Infinite nothing.
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rich
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 09:15
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Actually, 'ego crushing psytrance' is exactly what happened.
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 09:56
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There seems to be no "ego" per-se, rather than an actuality, it seems to be an illusion brought about by linguistic fallacy (in that we "think" in words or language).
It isn't a case of getting rid of one's "ego" but realising that one doesn't have an ego in the first place. At least according the "traditions","texts" and reasonings of various philosophies.
Letting go of the notion of "I" as some elemental essence, or "spookiness", in my experience seems more difficult than said. Seemingly because of the (re)inforcement of the delusion by one's social environment.
www.youtube.com/trancevisuals
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Nov 17, 2010 19:27
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isn't it up to the ego of said person to decide if the music is challenging or "manipulating" said ego? People who say they create this sound i'd like to put the music to the test on my own ego.
If you are challenged by frequencies that you dont quite understand, then that could be a definition of something trying to "crush" your ego...I find this all quite funny..I've found myself challenged by music before..and I really loved that feeling..so I try and challenge myself when composing..nothing for anybody else to be challenged by, unless you feel it does challenge you. I would never say that my intentions as an artist is to intentionally challenge people i just LOVE to blow shit up when i play so that's what i do. For the dance...maybe...for the experience ABSOLUTELY....is it dance music or for your head???? i dunno...but i love it.
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