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Posted : Jul 19, 2008 02:11
In the end..
All this talk about meditation/psychedlics is subjective and limited to inner world of each of us.
Unless you wanna take the magic from here and take stadistics and make some model and regressions on "what is more eficient for achieving lightening meditation vs psychedelics?"
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Posted : Jul 19, 2008 12:25
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On 2008-07-19 00:35, toogoodforyou wrote:
To those of you who don't know, all acid (lsd-25) is the same. Yes, the same acid used by Mr.Hoffman who lived to the age of 102 years. And how do you verify if its not some other substance?? Just compare your acid experience with various online trip reports and you will know. Secondly, lsd is a non-addictive drug. I believe if used in control it won't harm your mental or physical health.
People who have strong family histories of major psychosis or psychopathology are more vulnerable to get psychosis after using LSD. If a 'normal' person uses it after some sincere research in the right setting there are few chances of any psychosis or any permanent damage.
I have nothing against meditation. I used to practice one 'kriya' myself and i plan to start it again. But, i'm 100% sure meditation does not help you to connect and enjoy the psychedelic music like acid does.
As for people who say the spiritual experience on acid is an illusion or a cheap substitute, can you elaborate why so?? Is it just cause acid is man made?? Most of the things in todays world ARE man made. You can walk from one place to another and you can travel the same distance faster in the car, does it mean that your car journey is an illusion?? Travelling in a car has its own risks right?
I am discussing all this with an open mind here, so you guys do the same. Haters stay away. Using & not abusing is the key. Everything in moderation.
THanks for your beautiful explanation man, we need more people who have such knowledge like you who beleive in psychedelic experiences and who make it happen! Thank you for sharing!
On 2007-12-17 23:32, Gopendragon wrote:
Psychedelic experiences under substances may be spiritual,when u see visions in trance trips and explore the cosmic web of the astral world,surely u start to learn the hidden world of the spirit...but there are some problems that we should consider seriously!
I have experienced almost everything on psy trips with all kind of drugs and seen alot, and all these things taught me alot and helped me to have strong realisations,but now I count my damages,all this "valuable" gnosis I found on psychedelics are a lit bit uselles for now,because all those chemicals opened some inner gates inside with hurry and violeted by the force of the chemical spychedelic substance,the process unbalanced and not natural,not even under the cosmic laws,so that destroyed my ability to elevate naturaly by the right, slow and safe way up to the higher worlds.
My inner fires became week and my aitherial body needs healing,natural spiritual healing,a process with natural herbs and sacred plants under spiritual guidance with holy names and meditation.
Imagine that our inner world is like thousands or milions or maybe bilions of those small little nano lambs,that flashes as the energy passing,lights of different colours on different areas,drugs switch on much of those lamps inside and produse all those lightfull and colourfull visions,is the time u can see the inner paths by the pineal gland's activation with the help of the substance ,and realise the spiritual world under trance and music.
But when the effect of the chemical substance starts to evaporate,the small little lamps that was flashing colours with visions are switch off and burned.
Then u need again to force ur pineal gland with drugs give lights to the lamps,any time u do that u loose the pure natural power of ur body to light ur spiritual path,because is used to do this procces only by the help of drugs,not naturaly.
And after a decade of hard use not even drugs can switch on those lamps to light,at least not all..
The pure natural power of pineal gland is week,and the vehicle to lead u up to liberate soul is damaged,this vehicle is called ethairial body,and the ethairial body is the connection with the mental body the state of cosmic budhha.
Even only with the astral body u can see any vision u like or desire to satisfy ur ego ,by watcing colourfull fake visions of lost imagination in lowe astral states..
Maya comes and pusses ur ego to show u visions of the astral world and satisfy ur eyes,egos are darkenning and controling the astral body,the body of desires,egos are powerfull and able to light u a lot of colorfull inner lamps with flashes in the astral world of ur inner body,but egos dont know how to drive on the ethairial world,dont have the power to do it,because they can only have the control on the astral and physical world, that acts on a lower levels.
I want to conclude that the more chemical drugs u take for spirituality,then after u need the much more healing with spirituality to do and repair the damages of ur ethair..
That may cost years of spiritual; healing ,or I dont know yet I ll see the process and the progress in the future year by year by meditation and the help of guru deva Yaje,to tell u if that costs for more then one life to repair ..
It is not a game,maybe in the beggining looks like a serious spiritual game,but after more then a decade u see how the game can became tragedy..
It is very easy for someone to be forgotten somhwere inside a astral ego trap for ever,and also easy and dificult to escape from this astral hole that shows us colorfull visions,and that depends on how easy or dificult u can see clearly with conciousnes the ego,and that depends on how conciously u meditate in trance dance,or how much lucky karma u may have..
Psy Music crushes the ego as we dance alltogeteher in trance to feel the unity,the love ,harmony and respect,but when someone destroy self by using tons of drugs ,then there is no respect for self,no love for self,no harmony for self,not even unity with self..
Wake up brothers,I have passed from the same channels,I have seen almost the same things with U,but now belive me I have found my real pure self without any chemical help,and now I really conciously know that my footsteps passing on the true and safe path,I patient and work hard with my psyche to recover the lost powers of my pure self.
I know,We know even by the psychedelicious visual shows of our mind ,that we can go beyond this physical world,but it is up to our hands if we wanna stuck on material drug candies they sell to us and feed ego,or continue on spiritual jelwery of pure self by meditation healing to destroy ego..
JAY JAGANATH
Good words my friend !
All in all I have took all kinds of psychedelics that exists under the sun for the last 25 years of my life and as a producer of psychedelic music now a days i more enjoy in a party not taking any drugs at all and listen to the music without being infect at all I will know much more whats happening with the twisted music and understand and appreciate music much much more.. thats why IMHO the more the twisted the music the better it is for my enjoyment
and to enlighten those paths you were talking about I found God is the best healing Drug natural spiritual happiness ... you should try it sometime no side effects whats so eva !
have a smiley weekend
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 04:08
Sorry but I find Forzas condesending comments about psychedelics annoying and offensive to shamans that use psychedelics. If the eastern teachings from India are your key to the heavens, that’s cool dude, but stop preaching about “the only way” like you have seen the beginning and the end of all there is. Most of all stop insulting the shamanic traditions that use psychedelics by calling them fakes or cheap substitutes because it is offensive. And how much do you really know in the end about psychedelics? Think about it deeply and be honest. I think you assume TOO MUCH and I find the continuous preaching tone a bit too self absorved. I am sorry to point this out because I also realize you have a lot of wonderful things to share and I am greatful that you do. Look I have had my share of meditation and explored psychedelics very much, and nowhere did I see any evidence that one or the other was fake. My hunch is you have a lot of borrowed and preconceived ideas that maybe you picked up from your meditation teachers or books and which you are merely repeating without really touching the actual truth which is far more encompassing and all-embracing than what our minds or egos can calculate when they decide to judge something. To many shamans, psychedelics are not just “drugs” like you call them but they are teachers or divine plants that can help them connect with higher wisdom and God.
Also stop assuming that everyone that tried psychedelics was “deluded” into taking them. Again, sorry for pointing this out.
BTW, here are some quotes from the mushroom wise woman Maria Sabina that I think are beautiful. (and to think that someone would call her fake, does not feel right)
"It's that in me there is no sorcery, there is no anger, there are no lies. Because I don't have garbage, I don't have dust."
-Maria Sabina
"The mushrooms give me the power of universal contemplation. I can see from the origin. I can arrive where the world is born."
-Maria Sabina
"I cure with Language. Nothing else. I am a Wise Woman. Nothing else."
-Maria Sabina
"I take Little-One-Who-Springs-Forth and I see God. I see him sprout from the earth. He grows and grows, big as a tree, as a mountain. His face is placid, beautiful, serene as in the temples. At other times, God is not like a man: he is the Book. A Book that is born from the earth, a sacred Book whose birth makes the world shake. It is the Book of God that speaks to me in order for me to speak. It counsels me, it teaches me, it tells me what I have to say to men, to the sick, to life. The Book appears and I learn new words."
-Maria Sabina
"They(the mushrooms) help me to cure and to speak. In the vigils I clap and whistle; at that time I am transformed into God."
-Maria Sabina
“Because I can swim in the immense
Because I can swim in all forms
Because I am the launch woman
Because I am the sacred opposum
Because I am the Lord opposum
I am the woman Book that is beneath the water, says I am the woman of the populous town, says I am the shepherdess who is beneath the water, says I am the woman who shepherds the immense, says I am a shepherdess and I come with my shepherd, says
Because everything has its origin
And I come going from place to place from the origin...”
-Maria Sabina
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Posted : Jul 20, 2008 17:01
Aluxe , there are some really amazing words in your post thank you for sharing with us these beautiful words of wisdom. I think that everybody who follows his hearth is on the right path. There is no distinction between people everybody is trying to help each other in some way or another and sometimes this gets misunderstood! People sharing information gathering information and people who read it and assume the form they like to be!
Psychonauts of the moment are trying to share the real path to an amazing psychedelic voyage and the people are not accepting this yet but once it will happen again i think everybody will be happy about it and there will be no differences between the tribe cause there will be only one tribe under one roof the sky!
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Posted : Nov 14, 2010 10:32
this crushed my ego as a fan
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Posted : Nov 14, 2010 14:18
THIS ONE!!!
If You Dare to Take the Risk to listen It, be Extremely Open minded cu'z is not Psytrance""...it's Tech Trance(omg omg omg wtf is that dudee??)...Takes it time to Develop, the End is Wow...(so, the end is the cool Stuff Aight, that's the moment, the Adios Ego shit...)well...@ least for me
Anodyne - Corrosion (Bitten By The Black Dog)
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Posted : Nov 14, 2010 21:54
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 13:24
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On 2010-11-14 10:32, mk47 wrote:
this crushed my ego as a fan
+1!
Not only did the night lead him astray, it also twisted records
I will review this when it's released...
"Night Lead Me Astray is taken from the forthcoming album by Younger Brother due early 2011 and will be on the EP out 11/8/10 on twisted records."
www.parvati-records.com
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 23:09
only you can crush your ego. sometimes you can use music as a tool to aid you in your goal. Music is just that - a tool. Take your favorite ego-destroying track, play it to someone who has never heard psy or who listens to some other type of music completely and see how much it crushes their ego
Oh - and as for not having dust without garbage...pretty sure that a large quantity of dust is human skin - so she can certainly have no dust, as soon as she doesn't have any skin If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 23:31
Cool topic name and concept.
I wish I could play some of this ego crushing music for people and watch them become better people.
Don't think it works that way though.
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 00:07
^
... luckily, I would add.
I don't want any external force to crush my ego. If ever I feel like doing it - I'll do the crushing myself, thank you very much. Whether I'll employ Gil in the process or not, I don't know. But if I do, his 16-hour set will be a helping tool, not a lead I'll blindly follow. This is my egoistic approach to ego crushing.
On a more general note, I don’t see any point in ego crushing to begin with. Taming, humbling, understanding – maybe. Crushing – no, thanks. Reeks too much like prison or military (same shit, imo).
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 00:17
Sometimes, for some people, it takes a mighty blow to yield humility.
(I'm in now way presuming there is any music capable of this on its own.)
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 00:28
This is a discussion I end up having a lot at trance parties - going to a party or taking drugs or listening to music at a party on drugs with the specific intent of a transformational spiritual experience, or getting your ego crushed...
these are not experiences or things that you can control - you can attempt to coax them out of yourself or the universe or however the fuck you want to think about it through personal diligence and lots of hard work...and sometimes the drugs or the music or both work with you...but YOU are doing the heavy lifting in this scenario. Tools are tools are tools.
Better off imo to go to a party or take drugs without any preconceived notions of what will happen (aside from knowing your body, knowing your substance etc etc) so that if you DO have a powerful experience, well that's a great bonus...but if you go with the intent of having one each time you go out to a trance party??? You will quickly burn out, or become disillusioned with 'the scene' when its actually not 'the scene' at fault...it is you.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
www.soundcloud.com/tasp www.soundcloud.com/kinematic-records
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Posted : Nov 16, 2010 00:43
^ I agree with that, especially the last bit about expectation turning to disillusionment. I've experienced that.
I like to practice personal 'ego-crushing' sessions when I feel I need to overcome a particular problem emanating from (inevitably) my ego (including the usual culprit: fear). For this I use specially selected music and put myself in the right head space to receive it. Because I select the music, and I trust my taste I'm never disappointed.
