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Forza
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I have to say something though, I used to experiment with psychedelics before.
but the more I progressed into meditation, it was a natural process that I started to stop liking psychedelics, I simply lost any interest in them.
my karma with pot was worse though, it took me a longer time to get rid of it, but when I started practicing kriya (a kind of kundalini) I was finally able to break free.
That's why kundalini is so powerful, everytime you mess with the energy on the spine you evolve spiritually, usually habits are hard to destroy because they get imprinted into your subconscious mind just like waves from audio get imprinted into a vinyl, so you develop a compulsion to keep doing them.
but with kundalini you can visualize how the energy that goes from the spine, gets to the brain and burns those images, effectively destroying karmas.
meditaton is a vice, because if you do it regularly you start feeling so good, that you get addicted to those states, so you want to meditate more to get higher, and if you stop you feel different so you develop a craving.
and trust me, when you get into those states, you will find that drugs are nothing but cheap imitations, really they can't give you the intensity of meditation.
the more you meditate, the more you find the inner world more real than the outer, that happens because a very strong spiritual warrior called extreme dispassion for mundane things starts to awake.
the more you meditate you feel an inner peace that can't be shaken by anything in the world, that's another very powerful spiritual warrior called peaceful sensation
the more you meditate you feel a joy and a love that is beyond you, ananda and prema are other 2 powerful warriors
that is how maia and ego is beaten!!
although ego is hard, he knows you, he OWNS you, he is unbeatable, he will always attack you on your weaker spots, and you need to know how to counter it, every spiritual warrior is the best to neutralize another, I could go on further and further but due to the limitations of the forum it's better to give a very basic explanation, there are some awesome books though that explain with details all the armies, tactics, weapons and ruses from the armies of king soul and rebel prince ego.
http://www.amazon.com/God-Talks-Arjuna-Bhagavad-Gita/dp/0876120303
Blow your inner conch shell and release your true potential!!
OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM
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Zman
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 23:01
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On 2007-12-13 23:00, Forza wrote:
I have to say something though, I used to experiment with psychedelics before.
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looks like the experiment went too far hehe
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 23:29
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Blow your inner conch shell and release your true potential!!
OOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMM
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pooooooooooooooo
dont end up blowing ur inner coonch shell so hard "bada boom bada bang forza yoga baba boom" that you only end up passing lots of gaaaaaas.
@ zmandan-"BomBom yoga baba Forza BOmM kali shiva namaha"
"END THE OCCUPATION!"
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On 2007-12-13 23:00, Forza wrote:
meditaton is a vice, because if you do it regularly you start feeling so good, that you get addicted to those states, so you want to meditate more to get higher, and if you stop you feel different so you develop a craving. |
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lol and before you know it your a meditationwhore wandering the streets selling blowjobs to fond your yoga courses   stupid joke.
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and trust me, when you get into those states, you will find that drugs are nothing but cheap imitations, really they can't give you the intensity of meditation.
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Then please read my post on page 2 at the buttom of the page.
I would like to tell you (and everyone) to read the book by Eckhart Tolle named 'The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment' - It's a easy and down to earth book about you, your ego, your thoughts and the 'real' you.
http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/839458/The-Power-of-Now/Product.html
To bad someone will delete, lock or something this thread soon. Because I would like to talk more.
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Magox
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Spytoons, you are a wise silly qwacker, the isranazi will lock this thread soon...
Ego crushing psy trance? *ponders* hmmmm
i guess that would be a sort of psy trance that crushes your ego. *ponders a little more* hmmmm
would that mean a sort of trance that makes you have psychedelic visions while crying like a baby?
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Tracks that has a story line almost. Tracks that plays with your mind by ie. first breaking you down, freaking you a bit out.. Then after it's done breaking you down, it builds you u, calming your paranoid inner panic and shows you the light and puts a smile and understanding in your energy.
Guess it's like being in the army or something lol
But seriously, some artists, tracks do this stuff real well. Just can't think of any moore at the top of my empty image.. I ment head.
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Forza
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 01:23
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I understand what you meant about visions and crying like a baby, you meant astral visions and pure feeling huh?
it does exist.
I only think that our egoes still have a lot of resistance to talk about these themes, and people laughs or starts being disrespectful, why can't we fight against our egoes a bit and try to have a serious debate, without thinking that these stuff shouldn't be mentioned or that is something funny instead of sacred and serious?
the only purpose of man is to attain higher states of concsiousness, the rest of things are just mere distractions, guess why you feel empty and wanting more, even if you become rich, have lots of women, or power or all those things that will be forsaken at death.
Soul is looking for something else and until she gets it she will feel empty.
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Aida Noridania
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i can easyly backup Forza's story
i started as "spiritual practiser" (sic sorry for the label but not sure how to put that otherwise)
i had the most intense journeys while completely lucid as for the first years i didn't took any drugs at all except cigs
also on a gig in the forest my second act turned out into a 3 day vision quest where i saw rooms situations and people i didn't knew it turned out one vision was about Yaga as when i played there i had a deja vu i have seen odd stuff like Elvish worlds "blue people in a blue world" and more of all this weird stuff and no not on LSD nor any psychedelic substance... basicly i can say that no psychedelic substance can get near this as it is only 3 years ago that i tried LSD long time after i had these visions and still the times i took it i can still count it on 2 hands including the fact that i never take more then a quart/half blotter as i am carefull: as i can journey that way lucid i am extremely sensitive to that type of stuff
so there you got your answer: it exists and i can assure you it is intense however i can see how drugs can confuse...
i am sure that if i would tell all the stuff i have seen or been to that they would toss me in a luny-house as they would say i am a lunatic...
i also know there are different ways to achieve that just as there are different kinds of meditations
but how i do it is this by considdering life as a meditation, so even doing dishes canb be a meditation
i know ways too short to tell everything but well i can't write a book about all i saw experienced when lucid
all i know is that research i did gave me this: you got the astral world and other worlds (actually as much as there are energy bodies) and that through meditaztion you can access consciously to those bodies that operate in those worlds thus see what is there in those worlds as well
now i phrased this in my own words so it is far from "the truths but i just tried to express it a bit more tangible instead of tossing with all those esoteric terms
no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
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Fragletrollet
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-Abatwa-
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a solid article by the good old alan watts
http://deoxy.org/w_psyrel.htm
I think psychedelics have a lot, a looooot to teach us. It would be ideal if everyone could reach certain states without any outside substance but that is definetly not the case (with everyone). We are living in a society/system with too many distractions from the path. Therefore I see these plants of the gods as helpers to get us back on the right path (where we can actually use our human potential for better things), shake us up a lil, tear down our perception of reality and show us different states of perception.
I also do believe there is a extent on which these friends can help us/take us. In the end, it is upto the person to attain liberation from all things that keeps us chained. And the "lemme eat this to reach that" will not be helpful at that state.
last note: I have never had a psychedelic experience where I felt depressed the next day. It is pure clarity for me. Even if there was some hardfought issues to be solved.
leemme finish off by recommending
samadhi - organic brain in cosmos as a egokiller 
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mk47
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shiva shakti kundalini gita arjuna krishna christ consciousness yoga spirituality .. blown conch shells .. etc
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apparently ur quite well versed in all of that .. but try stay on topic here .. how does our music fit into this equation ? how can psytrance kill ego ..keeping in mind that u don't recommend drugs for spiritual growth .. ?
offtopic : where is baba pavel ? .. need his invaluable inputs here too
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Aida Noridania
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 10:03
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psytrance doesn't kill the ego on it's own, you have to do that. all that psytrance can do is being a catalyst in order to bring you to that point in a joint venture with trancedancing...
no situation is stronger then a heart that dares to love
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Forza
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Posted : Dec 14, 2007 11:13
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On 2007-12-14 10:03, Aida Noridania wrote:
psytrance doesn't kill the ego on it's own, you have to do that. all that psytrance can do is being a catalyst in order to bring you to that point in a joint venture with trancedancing...
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I agree, although what do you think about this? what about dancing trance full strenght, full soul all night/day long? would that strenghten your will power and spirit on your ego crushing quest?
imho if you focus your dance and energy on that for sure, imagine for a moment that it is not you who is moving stick to that thought, don't leave it.
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Gopendragon
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Psychedelic experiences under substances may be spiritual,when u see visions in trance trips and explore the cosmic web of the astral world,surely u start to learn the hidden world of the spirit...but there are some problems that we should consider seriously!
I have experienced almost everything on psy trips with all kind of drugs and seen alot, and all these things taught me alot and helped me to have strong realisations,but now I count my damages,all this "valuable" gnosis I found on psychedelics are a lit bit uselles for now,because all those chemicals opened some inner gates inside with hurry and violeted by the force of the chemical spychedelic substance,the process unbalanced and not natural,not even under the cosmic laws,so that destroyed my ability to elevate naturaly by the right, slow and safe way up to the higher worlds.
My inner fires became week and my aitherial body needs healing,natural spiritual healing,a process with natural herbs and sacred plants under spiritual guidance with holy names and meditation.
Imagine that our inner world is like thousands or milions or maybe bilions of those small little nano lambs,that flashes as the energy passing,lights of different colours on different areas,drugs switch on much of those lamps inside and produse all those lightfull and colourfull visions,is the time u can see the inner paths by the pineal gland's activation with the help of the substance ,and realise the spiritual world under trance and music.
But when the effect of the chemical substance starts to evaporate,the small little lamps that was flashing colours with visions are switch off and burned.
Then u need again to force ur pineal gland with drugs give lights to the lamps,any time u do that u loose the pure natural power of ur body to light ur spiritual path,because is used to do this procces only by the help of drugs,not naturaly.
And after a decade of hard use not even drugs can switch on those lamps to light,at least not all..
The pure natural power of pineal gland is week,and the vehicle to lead u up to liberate soul is damaged,this vehicle is called ethairial body,and the ethairial body is the connection with the mental body the state of cosmic budhha.
Even only with the astral body u can see any vision u like or desire to satisfy ur ego ,by watcing colourfull fake visions of lost imagination in lowe astral states..
Maya comes and pusses ur ego to show u visions of the astral world and satisfy ur eyes,egos are darkenning and controling the astral body,the body of desires,egos are powerfull and able to light u a lot of colorfull inner lamps with flashes in the astral world of ur inner body,but egos dont know how to drive on the ethairial world,dont have the power to do it,because they can only have the control on the astral and physical world, that acts on a lower levels.
I want to conclude that the more chemical drugs u take for spirituality,then after u need the much more healing with spirituality to do and repair the damages of ur ethair..
That may cost years of spiritual; healing ,or I dont know yet I ll see the process and the progress in the future year by year by meditation and the help of guru deva Yaje,to tell u if that costs for more then one life to repair ..
It is not a game,maybe in the beggining looks like a serious spiritual game,but after more then a decade u see how the game can became tragedy..
It is very easy for someone to be forgotten somhwere inside a astral ego trap for ever,and also easy and dificult to escape from this astral hole that shows us colorfull visions,and that depends on how easy or dificult u can see clearly with conciousnes the ego,and that depends on how conciously u meditate in trance dance,or how much lucky karma u may have..
Psy Music crushes the ego as we dance alltogeteher in trance to feel the unity,the love ,harmony and respect,but when someone destroy self by using tons of drugs ,then there is no respect for self,no love for self,no harmony for self,not even unity with self..
Wake up brothers,I have passed from the same channels,I have seen almost the same things with U,but now belive me I have found my real pure self without any chemical help,and now I really conciously know that my footsteps passing on the true and safe path,I patient and work hard with my psyche to recover the lost powers of my pure self.
I know,We know even by the psychedelicious visual shows of our mind ,that we can go beyond this physical world,but it is up to our hands if we wanna stuck on material drug candies they sell to us and feed ego,or continue on spiritual jelwery of pure self by meditation healing to destroy ego..
JAY JAGANATH
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
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