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mk47
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 15:38
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On 2007-12-13 15:21, Forza wrote:
 ..nectar of meditation ...dispassion for material things....krishna and arjuna blow their conchshells ..symbolize the cosmic vibration of OM...the pandus or light warriors are all within you...kundalini be raised!
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theres a thin line , between being a pandu , or being a gandu
boom !
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 15:50
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phazed
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 17:20
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@mk47..  i know you wont deny being on the gandu side of the line!
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 18:06
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some really ignorent comments here.
it is just funny some people just ramble on drugs are escapism and create fake experiences and such, while they are sipping their coffee, alcohol and smoking a cigarette. each to his own. each takes a different path to see the light and get to it. thinking one way is better and others are fake means they need to listen to some ego crushing psychedelia 
a recommended read on issue, food of the gods. All the plants is not there on the earth as a decoration. We are explorers of consciousness and we have been experimenting for as old as humans are on this planet. Raspect
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 18:12
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On 2007-12-13 15:21, Forza wrote:
..nectar of meditation ...dispassion for material things....krishna and arjuna blow their conchshells ..symbolize the cosmic vibration of OM...the pandus or light warriors are all within you...kundalini be raised!
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theres a thin line , between being a pandu , or being a gandu
boom !
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@mk47- hhahahah  thanks for the laugh
@ forza - aiyo rama shiva chandra govindaaaaaaaaaaaa.
bada boom bada bang yoga boom baba ji please enough is enough!!
this is too much now.
"END THE OCCUPATION!"
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 18:22
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@ forza - aiyo rama shiva chandra govindaaaaaaaaaaaa.
bada boom bada bang yoga boom baba ji please enough is enough!!
this is too much now.
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This is really amazing!
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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 18:54
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On 2007-12-13 18:06, -Abatwa- wrote:
some really ignorent comments here.
it is just funny some people just ramble on drugs are escapism and create fake experiences and such, while they are sipping their coffee, alcohol and smoking a cigarette.
read on issue, food of the gods.
Raspect
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..suger, television .. Hey! Emotions 
I just finished the Food Of God's book (a couple of pages left). I would like to second on the idea of 'read this book'. It's a nice journey through human history and our need for stimulates. http://www.play.com/Books/Books/4-/281108/Food-of-the-Gods/Product.html
I think a nice ego killa track is of course: Egokiller (Remix) http://www.discogs.com/release/48858
The whole album is insane with beauty and gabba.
Psykovsky - Debut - Always a strong ego killer journey. 
peace & light
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Forza
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 19:01
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On 2007-12-13 15:32, Fragletrollet wrote:
Hehe.
How do you define fake? What is reality without something to experience it?
I agree that there is a lot of wrong usage of drugs, and that meditation is definetively harder without them, but certain drugs, psychedelic ones, have played a major part in spiritual awakenings in the westernized world.
Why is the divinity experienced through and lsdtrip any less real than one experienced in "natural" meditaion?
In my opinion, the biggest difference between meditation without drugs and with it is the focus on self discipline.
In the end, they are both meditation, but on a trip, you get forced into it, and in ordinary meditaion you have to practice.
Use of psychedelics can ofcourse be very frightening, but so can meditation be! The thing is that you dont get forced into it the same way.
But hey, if you can manage to go as far as you can on psychedelics in meditation, go for it. Im not there just "yet"... so until then, I figure I can use both
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We have free will, and what would be life if we couldn't have the chance of making mistakes and learning.
And true, some people awake while on a trip and then discover meditation and stick to that.
The main difference would be that for example if you take lsd, or ectasy or a ritual plant, that will leave your brain depleted of neurotransmissors, so you will feel a mild or moderate depression for the next days.
Meditation actually produces enormous amounts of neurotransmisors naturally, so instead of feeling down for the next days you will feel refreshed and your body will be vibrant of cosmic energy.
it takes time though, during the most initial phases of meditation, you will feel peace, lots of peace, but to experience ananda or joy in meditation it takes more time and a lot of devotion.
but be very careful on mixing two completely different things, you can really loose your sanity.
if you are going to do that, then engage in the less powerful meditation techniques like afirmation, but keep kundalini out of the equation.
Kundalini yoga raises enourmous amounts of energy through your dorsal spine, drugs too so they collide with each other causing a short circuit that can damage you.
Kundalini yoga is very powerful, that's why you usually start with more basic meditation techniques first to develop your body, mind and soul to be ready for kundalini, and when you start you start with a few series, you keep raising the amount with time, and usually you need the supervision of a monk because of the strenght of the techniques.
also some difference between drugs and meditation, is that you can't overdose on meditation, but you can on drugs, meditation doesn't leave a toll on your body, drugs do, specially if you take them in excess.
Also, advanced yoguis, can stay for months without food or sleep, or they could be in the middle of the snow in the hymalayas with just an small piece of clothing and don't feel cold at all.
try to do that with drugs Peace, Love, Light and Harmony |
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phiber_optixz
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 19:20
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@Forza - Really well explained. I liked they way you have put it. |
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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 19:34
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@Forza : Kundalini is maybe the most powerful track on the Shiva Shidapu album. You just opened up my eyes for something new here, thank you for that. -
But remember, not everyone takes C-drugs or Psydrugs for a spiritual purpuse.. Some people take drugs because it's pure and simple 'fun' . Actually, I used to enjoy my psychedelic adventures much more and powerful (hallucination vice) and playfulness when I was a pure strong atheist. It was the best! But after some use the spiritual aspects manages to creep up and change your thoughts and way of using them and the plant. But all in all, the times was best when the world was viewed with atheist/agnostic eyes/mind - some how it was easier, i guess (?). Now reality has changed and so has my trips. .. I guess I should start diving deeper inside the world you and others are writing about, maybe this is a path I need to explore.
Ego killer tracks ... ego killer experiences
Peace & Light
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 19:50
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On 2007-12-13 15:32, Fragletrollet wrote:
Hehe.
How do you define fake? What is reality without something to experience it?
I agree that there is a lot of wrong usage of drugs, and that meditation is definetively harder without them, but certain drugs, psychedelic ones, have played a major part in spiritual awakenings in the westernized world.
Why is the divinity experienced through and lsdtrip any less real than one experienced in "natural" meditaion?
In my opinion, the biggest difference between meditation without drugs and with it is the focus on self discipline.
In the end, they are both meditation, but on a trip, you get forced into it, and in ordinary meditaion you have to practice.
Use of psychedelics can ofcourse be very frightening, but so can meditation be! The thing is that you dont get forced into it the same way.
But hey, if you can manage to go as far as you can on psychedelics in meditation, go for it. Im not there just "yet"... so until then, I figure I can use both
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We have free will, and what would be life if we couldn't have the chance of making mistakes and learning.
And true, some people awake while on a trip and then discover meditation and stick to that.
The main difference would be that for example if you take lsd, or ectasy or a ritual plant, that will leave your brain depleted of neurotransmissors, so you will feel a mild or moderate depression for the next days.
Meditation actually produces enormous amounts of neurotransmisors naturally, so instead of feeling down for the next days you will feel refreshed and your body will be vibrant of cosmic energy.
it takes time though, during the most initial phases of meditation, you will feel peace, lots of peace, but to experience ananda or joy in meditation it takes more time and a lot of devotion.
but be very careful on mixing two completely different things, you can really loose your sanity.
if you are going to do that, then engage in the less powerful meditation techniques like afirmation, but keep kundalini out of the equation.
Kundalini yoga raises enourmous amounts of energy through your dorsal spine, drugs too so they collide with each other causing a short circuit that can damage you.
Kundalini yoga is very powerful, that's why you usually start with more basic meditation techniques first to develop your body, mind and soul to be ready for kundalini, and when you start you start with a few series, you keep raising the amount with time, and usually you need the supervision of a monk because of the strenght of the techniques.
also some difference between drugs and meditation, is that you can't overdose on meditation, but you can on drugs, meditation doesn't leave a toll on your body, drugs do, specially if you take them in excess.
Also, advanced yoguis, can stay for months without food or sleep, or they could be in the middle of the snow in the hymalayas with just an small piece of clothing and don't feel cold at all.
try to do that with drugs
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There is no evidence of LSD or shrooms actually destroying your neurotransmitters, even tough MDMA may deplete your "storage" of seretonin for a while.
LSD and Psilocybin actually goes in the neuron and acts as a neurotransmitter for some hours. Does not kill anything.
Ofcourse, everyday meditation is done without the use of any psychedelics, but I dont see anything wrong in using psychedelics as a tool to experience strong meditative states.
And yeah, Kundalini is extremely powerful
Btw, what do you mean with "lose your sanity". You talk about it as there is one state where you are sane, and one where you are not. Isnt it all perspectives of the same reality?
@Psytones:
Ofcourse it was easier when you were "atheist"(or "neglecting", as I'd call it  ).
Now you have to take responsibility
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Adigroovy
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 20:53
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I wonder why so many cultures from thousends of years have been trying and using psychoactive substances in ceremonies and in spiritual way, looking for answers for sure.@forza you are also right about meditation abut why is that only and sane way?? some part of minds and places needs to be reached trough some middles (meditation if you want) and that's where it comes to psychoactive substances, like lsd or mushrooms for example. I don;t know about you but I reached some parts of me trough this substances which helped me so much in my daily live. so anyone with his keys and doors.
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Forza
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 21:07
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There is no evidence of LSD or shrooms actually destroying your neurotransmitters, even tough MDMA may deplete your "storage" of seretonin for a while.
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Ofcourse, everyday meditation is done without the use of any psychedelics, but I dont see anything wrong in using psychedelics as a tool to experience strong meditative states.
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True there is nothing wrong with using these things to achieve altered states of conciousness if done responsibly, even though they are illegal in most countries.
Some people have awakened to a new reality because of them.
but let's put it into a metaphorical explanation.
Psychedelics can show you the gates of heaven, but they can only take you that far, they won't open them for you, meditation does though
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Btw, what do you mean with "lose your sanity". You talk about it as there is one state where you are sane, and one where you are not. Isnt it all perspectives of the same reality?
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A very dear friend of mine combined meditation with psychedelics, and he got into a pretty serious trip, he believed he was a divine incarnation (like of christ or krsna) that he had the power to read people's minds, among other things, he was more and more into that trip and had to seek professional help, he's back into light now, but it was a good scare!
Peace, Love, Light and Harmony |
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Zman
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 21:56
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HAHAHAHAHA this thread is wild  |
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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 13, 2007 22:56
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There are ignorant questions in my head everytime I hear, see people talking about psychedelic substances being a shortcut to what one can achive with different sorts of meditation. - Now, I have No doubt about that when we're talking about the spiritual aspects of understanding. But what botheres me each and everytime is that when one does take psychedelic substances you get incredible hallucinations of different kind (depends on the substance, time, place) - Caleidoscope, Geomethrical shapes, breathing objects, Finding Nemo under water world, paintings becoming alive and all of these wonderful experiences in both eyes wide shut and open. ::MOST importantly, the way a psychedelic music track will change to it's true form while listening under the influence!!. -- I hope I don't have to explain to the people here who have had their experiences with LSD, Magic Mushrooms, DMT, Aya .. what kind of magical visual (ect) worlds that can and will be created by inducing psychedelic substances like this!
Now tell me, who of you spiritual fanatics of meditation and inner peace has EVER experienced such wonderful out of this world halucinations without psychedelics??
I would love to know Please explain how you managed this?
Because i know nothing about meditation, but how can you in the end when your discussing meditation/psychedelics exlude the wonders of hallucinations of what psychotropics bring visually and aurally? In the end these two elements (meditation - Psychedelics) can Not be compared if your after the whole psychedelic experience. I don't, or didn't take psychedelics to become a holy cow! I took it to be a part of an incredible real fantasy world out of this galaxy. Whats wrong with that, why do I have to become ,,only" holy?? Why can't I let the universe become my playground and have some fun?? No play makes psytones a grumpy old man.
The day I can sit and meditate and find my self extracting magical and colourful energy from one finger to another like spiderweb..
I think you shouldnt confuse meditation so much with inducing psychedelics.
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