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Ecology and Trance in Israel

trance-mama
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Dec 18, 2005 21:13
As you know, if you know, I am a heavy trance addict like most of you.
I love the parties in nature and I allways respcet being brought to an awsom location in a party.
But I can't ignore the fact that I myself, sometimes, leave toilet paper when I need too somplace around the party. now I also go around parties and see old stuff from last time. That hurts...
I feel uncomfortable being part of heavy dirt in those sacred places....
What can be done?
are there orgenizers that clean up that stuff when they leave?
          might as well enjoy the ride!!
live to the max!!!!
TrancEisT
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Dec 18, 2005 21:21
Hey Trance-Mama;
This has already been discussed here but since it's such an important issue I will not merge this or close this topic.
We will rediscuss it.Hopefully this time in a mature and intelectual manner.


The 1st one to turn this into the "Resolutions 2006" Carnaval topic will get a "Genuine Israeli Army Boot" up his ass.

If you don't have anything to contribute nor anything intelligent to say about this topic then just please don't reply!

P.S:
Either way don't forget to take you shit with your after you party next time.
          I like Trance, so i am called The TrancEisT. but hey... what about people who like Rap? what are they called?
psychopsy
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  206
Posted : Dec 20, 2005 14:47
Quote:

On 2005-12-18 21:13, trance-mama wrote:
As you know, if you know, I am a heavy trance addict like most of you.
I love the parties in nature and I allways respcet being brought to an awsom location in a party.
But I can't ignore the fact that I myself, sometimes, leave toilet paper when I need too somplace around the party. now I also go around parties and see old stuff from last time. That hurts...
I feel uncomfortable being part of heavy dirt in those sacred places....
What can be done?
are there orgenizers that clean up that stuff when they leave?



i an saying that thing:
we are all enjoy from the nature so we must save him...
we can save him by keep him clean...
i hope everyone will act in that way in the future
trance-mama
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Dec 20, 2005 22:48
Well I guess this has been discussed...people are tired of it?
the sticker is nice, but tell me seriously, do the organizers really clean after the party?
What is the level of cleaning after the events. what happens in parties with baloons? are they all left in the location?
Who are the good guys and who are the bad. are there any good guys?
          might as well enjoy the ride!!
live to the max!!!!
Shishya


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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 11:17
Hello friends

I have some similar experiences with the issue
of trancepeople being disrespectful of the nature where they party. I really donŽt feel like this is an issue about hysteric attitudes but true concern.In the summer of 2004 when I travelled to India with my girlfriend we found out about a great party in Ladakh and decided to go.
It was set some 10 km. north of the city of Leh and the organisers had rented a bus for the people.

When we arrived at the party we met about 150
foreigners and maybe 30 locals. The party was organised by some Israelis and locals and it lasted until the next afternoon but only with a handful of people staying until the morning.
This place was a beautiful untouched pasture 30 meters from the main water stream that provides 15000 people with fresh water.
Cows graze here and it was very edenic.
A small buddhist stupa overlooked the area and I was told that foreigners rarely come up here.

To my horror I saw that the people had left almost all plastic bottles,bags,trash,cigarette buts,glass and metal cans right there on the sight.
I started collecting trash and it would have taken surely 4 or 5 hours because there were so tiny fragments everywere.
An old herdsman came up with his cows and watched in silence as the locals collected the biggest plastic items and BURNED THEM
right by the stream where the cows graze.as the bus left a huge amount of trash had to be
left behind even though I was seriously thinking about staying for cleaning. But i had no bags,water or equipment or hiking shoes with me so I had to go.
I was thinking about the amount of chemicals that we foreigners were spreading in the Himalayas with our carefree attitude and fullpowerblablabla idealism.
I felt so ashamed that my whole body was aching.
Im sure that a lot of the people either just didŽnt care or thought that the organisers
would pick up everything.
These parties are destroying a lot of pure energies in the mountains. IŽm not saying to stop but just to be more aware of the delicate balance in the ecosystems that we MUST protect.
I love good parties when people are bonding
and creating sustainable tribal culture.It has given me so much but at the same time I feel bad about the consumerist attitudes and rockstar egos that are not about the true Gaia spirit(at least not for me:)
We are all part of a huge living organism and destroying the land is destroying our own physical body.
Respect all life and it will respect you.
Peace
Yuli
Retired

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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 12:44
Quote:

On 2006-01-30 11:17, Shishya wrote:
Hello friends

I have some similar experiences with the issue
of trancepeople being disrespectful of the nature where they party. I really donŽt feel like this is an issue about hysteric attitudes but true concern.In the summer of 2004 when I travelled to India with my girlfriend we found out about a great party in Ladakh and decided to go.
It was set some 10 km. north of the city of Leh and the organisers had rented a bus for the people.

When we arrived at the party we met about 150
foreigners and maybe 30 locals. The party was organised by some Israelis and locals and it lasted until the next afternoon but only with a handful of people staying until the morning.
This place was a beautiful untouched pasture 30 meters from the main water stream that provides 15000 people with fresh water.
Cows graze here and it was very edenic.
A small buddhist stupa overlooked the area and I was told that foreigners rarely come up here.

To my horror I saw that the people had left almost all plastic bottles,bags,trash,cigarette buts,glass and metal cans right there on the sight.
I started collecting trash and it would have taken surely 4 or 5 hours because there were so tiny fragments everywere.
An old herdsman came up with his cows and watched in silence as the locals collected the biggest plastic items and BURNED THEM
right by the stream where the cows graze.as the bus left a huge amount of trash had to be
left behind even though I was seriously thinking about staying for cleaning. But i had no bags,water or equipment or hiking shoes with me so I had to go.
I was thinking about the amount of chemicals that we foreigners were spreading in the Himalayas with our carefree attitude and fullpowerblablabla idealism.
I felt so ashamed that my whole body was aching.
Im sure that a lot of the people either just didŽnt care or thought that the organisers
would pick up everything.
These parties are destroying a lot of pure energies in the mountains. IŽm not saying to stop but just to be more aware of the delicate balance in the ecosystems that we MUST protect.
I love good parties when people are bonding
and creating sustainable tribal culture.It has given me so much but at the same time I feel bad about the consumerist attitudes and rockstar egos that are not about the true Gaia spirit(at least not for me:)
We are all part of a huge living organism and destroying the land is destroying our own physical body.
Respect all life and it will respect you.
Peace



Great words here. Unfortunately the majority of ppl couldnt care less about this issue ( I presume I am talking about more than 90% but didnt want to sound too dramatic ). It seems that it is a good idea to pop this item to the ppls sight from time to time altho I am quite postitive most of the ppl wont change their ways after seing topics such as this one.           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
shamanizer


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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 12:56
This sort of behaviour shows the direction modern trance scene has taken, no respect towards anything or anybody. I call for people who were involved in this scene long time ago already to shout what was it about. It was not about ruining your surroundings while partying. This scene has become a haven of hypocritical people me as one of them... what to do... or is it so that also this scene mirrors things that are going on in the world, general disrespect and ignorance.
Riton
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 30, 2006 16:28
This is all about the crowd, and the bystander effect...
if you see 10 people cleaning already, chances are you will join. If you are alone, nobody will join you. If nobody is doing it, will you?           "I went to Goa and all i got was this lousy superiority complex."
A.p.e
A.P.E.

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Posts :  199
Posted : Jan 31, 2006 02:23
it's individual ,not all the party orginizers aware the issue of ecology (even in thire personal life),since nature partys are not legelized (and wont be,atleast not soon) the party owner is fully responsible to this issue ,i know
"kakal" watchers are familier with this issue ,and if they " meet" a party in some satuerday morning they dont go until they talk with the owner and they get a "promise" that he will clean the area (this is in the good case,bad case they call pigz)

personally i think making a nature event without cleaning after you is a bad bad bad karma from mother earth... i wouldent mess up with her ! (-'.           http://www.myspace.com/psychedelicape
trance-mama
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  158
Posted : Feb 13, 2006 22:01
I am glad this topic is still alive. good to see some people share my concern and guilt feelings towords mother nature.
I will be moving to California soon and will let you know how they deal with it. For sure they are more ecology oriented then us.
For now... if I am still around here in the summer, I will try to practice what I preach. I too would not mess-up with mother nature...
Weird guy in a pink hat
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 04:09
It's more of a culture topic imo...
It's about the respect that people do, or do not have for the nature.
Good and caring people always help to clean up the mess after any party no matter the location.
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