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mubali
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 19:14
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Land is relatively hard to come by here as well. Especially land that we will not get busted on. We have been fortunate to find a few people that allow us to use their property. However there are many places in California that you can speak to actual land owners. Especially in the more rural areas. We have paid anywhere up to 3-5 grand to use property, but most land owners that we have dealt with in the past are negotiable as well.
There are multiple factors that can either drive your price up or down. a venue is definitely a major factor, and sometimes an uncontrollable one. However there are a few others factors that can be controlled or at least negotiated...
Flights and artists: Most artists that have come out to our neck of the woods have stayed with friends of ours (or theirs). This eliminates the factor of a hotel bill to pay for. Also we try to arrange a flight share with multiple promoters to help lower the cost of flights.
Flyers: I feel that this phenonenom is left over from the olden days of raving. I still collect flyers for art purposes, but more often than not I get my info via the web. Sure if you are trying to assemble 300 plus people for your event, making flyers would probably help you out, but never underestimate the power of "word of mouth". Of course my views on this could be biased, because of the popularity of email and web based promotion in my general area. I do have lots of friends that don't do the email thing, and anytime they wanna go to a party... They call me.
Many other fees are indeed unavoidable.. Portapotties, black lights, etc... But all these things can still be worked around by a little alternative fundraising. A prime example of this would have been the Gratitude event that was here last summer. The crew that put that event on, ran a weekly in SF and they used that weekly as the main fundraiser for the event. The same is being done for C.O.S. You can throw smaller parties with low overhead and those can become fundraising events for something larger.
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krisamadhi
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 20:26
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| asheville: since i am friends with some of you i hope you take my critique the right way, i will not however take it easier on you. i feel its the same idea but for longer as with cleveland... there is no psy awareness in the lower eastern states, your are an isolated entity that supports itself. your events rely on your own families and people. when there are intenational headlines you rely on the nyc trancers to come down for support, without them you do not have enough. |
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well our 100 people partys have more vibe and spirituality than NYC partys and have been that way since 99'.
as far as support from NY only maybe 10 showed up at neptunalia. and this is the only party where any nyc's have showed up.
when it comes down to it, its about the people at the party not the djs or the headliners. this is what makes the scene
worth while. it feels good when your party blows up, and there isn't a headliner, just a good time!
maybe you need moutain DOSE to see the psy awareness here. maybe you shouldnt judge the rest of the east coast until you have actually experienced firsthand the parties.
As far as 'psy-awareness" goes, we here in Asheville are very aware, on the level of first: consciousness, our trance folk are some of the most interesting, evolved people on the planet. Many are artists and other creative people who are doing work to further their own spirtual evolution and as well doing professional work to revolutionize and and change our society. And second: we are constantly getting the newest music and playing the best new tracks, as well as seeing live acts as much as possible and keeping abreast on all the trance culture and happenings.
As far as drugs go, most of our parties, most people are sober, yes we use psycedelics, but only sometimes, and they are not the main focus of the party, but rather minimally used, and hardly ever other hard, dirty drugs make it around on our scene. We are truly here for the music, and our parties are for the whole family, we have lots of children in our scene and our vibe is holistic, and deep, not just a "party" vibe.
its all about the tribe.
all in the name of love,
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 20:45
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On 2004-10-12 03:01, paradigm wrote:
Whether it be on music, producers or events, we have standards and if those standards arent met, well we talk shit.
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YOU MUST BE SPEAKING FOR YOURSELF (I hope)
WOW!_____!
getting together as a whole and TALKING SHIT! now I've heard it all! Lets not mention that it doesnt alow people to make mistakes and learn from them!
Bodhi,
Thanks for your support, and you know I love your music! when will I get a cd (halloween maybe?). Seriously, you speak the truth! I also fell in love with my wife at a Reefer Decree party! And I met her in, what was at the time-Interpace Sounds now Green Sector- (First Psy only record shop in LA)where we sold presale tickets AND she was introduced to me by another trancer who I met in the desert at an Integral party (cant forget those pioneers in Cali Desert/Forrest history). We now have beautiful daughter to top it off! As for doing "renegade" parties I personally gave up years ago (99 or 2000- not remembering to well)at the Infected Mushroom 4th of Ju-Psy that got broken up after we spent all day setting up in the HOT ass desert AND then I stood for 3hrs and gave it up on the decks back when I was playing viny, only to be confronted by rangers with SHOTGUNS! So this element to the west unfortunately is lost. There are a few like Feel Free who manage to go undetected and throw fun parties but these crowds are smaller and more intimate. And in most cases we all support each other. This is an attitude I think everyone can benefit from. With out support from your fellow promoters in your city circle. Its damn near impossible to be succesful. La was once divided and today is alot stronger! thanks to everyone with the same mission in mind. UNITE THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD THOUGH HIGHLY SYCOPATED RYTHYMS THAT HAVE A CERTAIN... HYPNOTIC EFFECT! http://soundcloud.com/djkiva |
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kife
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 20:55
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On 2004-10-12 09:04, Surrender wrote:
im not trying to nitpick, but have u been there? i was... i was being generous with the 400 figure.
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around 600, paying and non-paying. we though we broke even, and THEN we got the cell phone bills 
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Nik©
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 04:24
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Hello, unfortunatly I never been to West Coast but I strongly agree with surrender on pretty much all issues on east coast, and I think in particularly in NY...
Things look very bad at this point of time; at least this is how I see it...
The question is - IS THEER A CHANCE FOR East Coast or NY in particularly for brighter , better , bigger future with Psychedelic Trance ( and the key word is Psychedelic Trance , not progressive house , disco, or 3 year old mp3’s) or whatever some local Dj’s trying to play ???
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ZeRo
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 06:19
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On 2004-10-12 08:41, Surrender wrote:
regarding DMT events: they are at best an avoided disaster... i think 9/10 times the generator isnt working, the sound system is malfunctioning, and the most of the dj's have no idea what year this...
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this may have been true in past years. but this past season the dmt threw very nice and very well attended bridge parties.. .and a few magical nights in sout jersey... there were a few generator problems yes, but we always pulled through and good times were had. they have put together a nice tradition of dark twisted night stuff into a progressive morning that seems to work really well at these outdoor locations. the parties also have a very diverse crowd with many burning ppl. junglists. new jereyites. etc. and all for free. fine maybe its not simon posford v boris blenn but the vibe/ intentions were on point.
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Nik©
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 12:23
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Hello Zero wake up, what Simon Posford?
Surrenedr wrote -
And the most of the dj's have no idea what year this...
If Dj's don’t have an idea, then crowd for sure eats it all!!! Wake up in this world and time there is much more names than Hallucinogen and Infected Mushroom, if u haven’t noticed yet.....
But you a little right, something is better then nothing, but for me - Its all NOTHING
And also maybe this is Rude but who da hell is Boris Blen? And why we talking about this person like he is something special in Psychedelic scene
And also, what dark twisted night stuff >??? I only heard about some Dj from Florida, was playing night stuff ... Who else did >?
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Machinelf
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 14:13
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Re: East vs West, it's difficult to compare, I have gotten input from multiple sources, read the latest issue of Entrance or Mushroom Mag for the stories.
And re: DMT generators going out, that just hasn't happened. You may be confusing a party in the Pine Barrens that happened last May where the DMT sound system was used, but it was not a DMT event. Please get your facts straight, "SURRENDER" before you throw barbs. If you really think the DMT events are an "avoidable disaster" ask the anyone from any of the East Coast crews for an unbiased oprnion. They were there. And you can also ask the thousands who have been to the free gatherings, although they don't spend their lives typing hack opinions.
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Machinelf
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 15:33
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As for the east coast parties relying heavily on NYC that's just misleading at best and wrong at worst.
This year the proportion of New Yorker-non New Yorker at Gaian Mind this year and Maata Mandaara (sic) was very low, and anyone who was there who knows who is who will back me up. But they still thrived.
In fact, the same could be almost said for NYC, since many many people live all over the East Coast but not in NYC - but are part of the NYc scene because it is so fecund and thriving due to huge numbers of intewrnational travellers.
There was a time in Israel and Japan when the number of people at parties you could count with your fingers and toes. Back then not every tom dick and yanni had a keyboard connected to a modem, and they surprisingly did good parties anyway, and the scene grew brain by brain.
I don't know who you are Surrender, or where you get your half baked opinions from, but getting your facts straight is a good idea in general, but particularly important when it is in fact a negative slam on the efforts of countless people. We all know that email discussion groups throw disproportionate weight towards the negative armchair trancer who likes to hear himself argue.
Copernicus, you always find out the world doesn't revolve around you, popes be damned. You can say shit until you are blue in the face, but the 6500 watt Honda generator powering free beats and free minds will keep going, and going, and going...
for a report on trance in US here it is
www.brainmachines.com/tranceamericana.html
www.entrancemagazine.com/index.php?nav=download
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Machinelf
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 15:39
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Ah.. America.. the psy-trance backwater, conspicuous by its absence amongst psy-trance strongholds worldwide. But as Americans aren't all fat assed McDonald's consumers, psy-trance resists the consumer mindset and the devoted & faithfully infected are spreading the trance virus, brain by brain. Its modern incarnation flowered with Acid Phisixs (now Cal Sun)'s NYC bridge parties and Dutch's rooftop Berkeley bashes and Goa Gil in the mid '90s. Al Gore, who almost became president, is a follower of Zen guru and trance enthusiast Ken Wilber.. the plot thickens. Like sex in public, trance is more thrilling in the cracks of fascist states. Let's get it on!
Where are we now? Basically, a bomb hit U.S. trance in 2000 when the Feds busted a huge LSD operation run by a well connected Harvard chemist in a missile silo in Kansas, supplying over a third of the planet. That grave loss, coupled with the deaths of Timothy Leary and Terence McKenna not to mention the latest difficulties in LSD synthesis due to the discontinuance of the precursor Ergomar (the prescription drug that Elvis took for migraines) took the wind out of the late 90s psychedelic movement. However, the double edged sword of rampant file sharing coupled with new music, audio & Internet technology, fungus, memories of better times and flat-out creativity has sustained the movement into the 21st century, positioning it for a true psychedelic Renaissance.
Trance Americana is steadily building, refining, and fractalizing into the hinterlands:
New York AKA Babylon, the reservoir/cesspool/playgrounds of the international Goa trash jet set, the Israeli ex-Arsin faux-yordim and the Russian trance intelligentsia (AKA the Other White Meat) is still the largest psy-trance community in the U.S. in terms of raw numbers and manic energy and tension. In a bizarre way, as in Israel, 9/11 and the battered economy that ensued have been catalysts, necessary ingredients in making the intoxicating potion that is New York psychedelic trance. No one working, trance goes back to the garage. Poverty breeds creativity. Wiley squat parties, three day loft parties and clandestine gatherings under bridges have become the order of the day. In a down economy, friends are more valuable than your portfolio.
Indoors, Spirit New York at the old Sound Factory/Twilo space will house the finest holistic trance events New York has seen in years, since Gilles of Synthetic Sadhus went back to France after his partner Krisztina Veigh went down in a plane in Hungary. Spectra and Omnitribe continue making tasteful progress. Israeli mosh pits Hommega, Global Trance/Home of Trance, and the perenially impecunious Anglo-Swiss Return to the Source DNA-cloned Promethean Tsunami still pack them in, beset by newcomers such as Ecliptic Trance and El Nadiv.
The beating heart as always, is the secret underground outdoor rituals - Omnitribe brought trance to the mountains, Burning Elf brought the precious Lord of the Rings, and the Devotional Ministry of Trance reincarnated after a two year hiatus following juvenile infighting and squat speaker heists by the police. And the electronic Rainbow Warriors Ian, Adam and Jowe are still spreading the non-Luddite outdoor love in the Byzantine backwoods of south Jersey, and prove that having children is a cause for celebration, not for surrendering to the Grid.
In the Eastcoast-Westcoast rivalry Northern California beats East Coast in quality over quantity. Wherein New York is full of hard edged freaks, everyone in San Francisco is "cooool."
Indoors, Thump brings top international talent. Russians provide the hemoglobin - the vicarious Israelis of the West! The CCC hasn't disbanded, Tantra is producing some of the most solid and quality parties in San Francisco right now with excellent production and a brand new Mackie FUSION soundsystem. And impresario John Wood engineered the huge, legal-all-night South of Market Art Gallery.
Outdoors, Northern California is strong, with many parties throughout the summer by different collectives such as the Fusion Festival, which became a religion on the spot to foil the police.
In Nevada, Burning Man continues to astound international trancers with its unfettered irrationality. Late '90s psy-trance is no longer the only soundtrack, i.e. no more Blue Room fire engine. But if Tesla were alive today, he'd be tripping at Black Rock City, coils in hand.
In Portland, Apollo's Lute produced one of the best outdoors of the year in the U.S. in 2003. They brought the best of San Francisco and Seattle together for "ASONE" with Talamasca.
In between these two bicoastal axes lie the full spectrum of musical interpretation.. including Boston's ivory trance towers peopled by Ivy beleaguered, well travelled, brain trust funded Killinfloor, Changmian, and Sonic Beating; Gaian Mind, AmPsy, PSI and Sidetrakkt in Pennsylvania; Touch Samadhi in North Carolina; Goahead in Ohio; Mistical in fertile-cow-dung Texas; in Los Angeles Green Sector did a slamming New Years with Phantasm and of course there will always be Moontribe. These tribes are all on the move with hypnotic urban lovefests and exquisite outdoor gatherings, and prove that the wilderness IS the centrifugal force for Trance Americana.. America has a lot of outdoor just waiting for the Spirit to return!
A city by city survey of trance in America can be found at http://www.brainmachines.com/links.html Chicago, Detroit, and Houston have yet to be penetrated. Since Hofmann's bicycle ride, the 60 year old battle over the American mind continues. There's always hope. After all, Albert is still alive and tripping twice a month! Ah, those Swiss stay tuned in, turned on, and dropped in.
Still... although the Canucks are nice and all, it's those seaside vacation hotspots in Mexico that just may finally infect nubile Spring Break coeds and drive the sonic stake into the Texan vampire at the Alamo... |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 15:40
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I think nowadays there are two types of events regardless of their geographic location.
- The superstar club minded event. The event is run like a corporate concert. The rock stars, the dancers, the decos, the organizers, it all comes together from money and it is provided as a service from one small group of individuals. It follows a very formulaic trend and it usually appeals to the masses. It has a record of proven business success, but the parties lack of a sense of community accomplishment. Since everything is served in a silver platter, ppl take it for granted. This is a great money generator, but once the organizer/s leave, the events stop and there is no continuity.
- The other events are smaller. The whole community brings effort and resources to the table. Ppl come together and build together events, music, decos, etc. When the event happens, there is a sense of accomplishment that unites everyone in the event in one incredible celebration. Also when the event ends, the community stays together. Even if the ones who have the function of organizing leave, the whole community behind it can produce new organizers as well as new musicians, new artists, new dancers....
While the first is a money maker, the second builds a society, traditions and a new way of thinking.
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Machinelf
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 16:27
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a NOTE TO PSY-TRANCE ORGANIZERS EVERYWHERE |
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Machinelf
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 16:31
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of course, you don't need to hear this but i'lls ay it anyway.. trance organizers you are doing important work... don't get discouraged by stone throwers who gave up a long time ago. Follow your heart, don't give up hope, and above all watch your cash flow!
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Surrender
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 16:56
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to machinelf: i wish you could be more mature when you ar critized rather then dish out personal insults and fire rounds in every which direction but your own.
regarding the dmt events, they are simply not up to par. most of the djs cannot beatmix there, the generator(s) do have problems and there is a certain feeling of unprofressionalism regarding the whole thing. being pro. about something doesnt mean its commercial, it simply means all angles are covered.
i find it bewildering that you review your own events in a promotional way... this is something anyone would wish to avoid, but you rush into as much as you can. you are even the one who wrote the article about the psytrance scene in america for entrance magezine. i observe that you do not have conscious problems with this self bias, i think thats not good.
i have tried in public emails and one on one conversation to "guide" you a few times:
asking you to stop promoting mp3 downloading suggestions (by you) on your lists, to stop the enthused drug discussions and to get more serious and put a stop to the "pirate island" environment. i wish you took your position more seriously, your lists have tremendous potenial for nyc and beyond. they are a good service and should be operated more professionally.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Surrender
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Posted : Oct 13, 2004 17:01
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regarding dmt 9/10 times generator comment may have been persued as an actual fact (which its not) rather the the figurative point it was trying to make.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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