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Posted : Nov 6, 2008 08:35
it has nothing to do with aiming balls, but with personal preferences in sound.
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Posted : Nov 6, 2008 09:21
If you want it with "balls".. well
Take a sport where every player has its own ball or instrument.
a lot of sports feature special editions of instruments for left and right handed persons.
Goinging deeper into sports you'll see that many players have personal preferences in the spec of their gear as long as it is within the rules.
So, there are different monitors with different strength and weaknesses. Why should anyone bother and adapt to whatever if the right choice could make it easier for him without work?
Saying there are no "types" is almost as saying there are no tastes, since these two things are highly linked to each other.
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Posted : Nov 6, 2008 13:37
Do you really believe that how bright you make your mixes is something hardwired for an individual just like being left or right handed?
Sure people have different preferences, but that is not the same as needing a monitor with a certain character to get your balance right.
I'm personally not keen on very sharp treble, but the reason is surely not that my mixes turns out too soft on them without a lot of work since that's extremely easy to adjust for.
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Posted : Nov 6, 2008 16:35
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Do you really believe that how bright you make your mixes is something hardwired for an individual just like being left or right handed?
not exactly, but basically yes.
First of all our ears loose their ability to hear while aging. they don't do this for each frequency at the same rate. so each person has a different frequency response in its ears.
Secondly, some people simply "like" a sharp sound. other people don't like it. A professional mix should be somewhere in a good average range. if somebody who like a sharp sound mixes on monitors with a round sound there will be a tendency to mixing too sharp. of course the pro will know this and work against it.. but thats exactly my point. why work against it? why not just buy sharp monitors and forget the work?
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Posted : Nov 6, 2008 17:11
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On 2008-11-06 13:37, Spindrift wrote:
Do you really believe that how bright you make your mixes is something hardwired for an individual just like being left or right handed?
not exactly, but basically yes.
First of all our ears loose their ability to hear while aging. they don't do this for each frequency at the same rate. so each person has a different frequency response in its ears.
Secondly, some people simply "like" a sharp sound. other people don't like it. A professional mix should be somewhere in a good average range. if somebody who like a sharp sound mixes on monitors with a round sound there will be a tendency to mixing too sharp. of course the pro will know this and work against it.. but thats exactly my point. why work against it? why not just buy sharp monitors and forget the work?
First of all because there are other factors much more important that will determine how little effort is required to make a mix that translates well.
Adjusting for how sharp the treble is on a monitor is really not a lot of work.
Adjusting for minor dips or peaks or phase issues is a lot harder.
And the main reason why quite many of the monitors on the market today have a bit softer treble I think is due to a backlash against the NS10's which was the de facto standard for nearfields for many years.
It was easy to get the balance ok on them when you knew that you had the right amount of treble when your ears was bleeding, but they are very fatiguing to listen to.
Non-fatiguing have become a very common requirement when people choose monitors and that basically means smooth treble.
Even if you tend to make you mixes too soft for whatever reason it can still be worth the effort to come to terms with the smoother treble by listening to some reference material and in the worst case redo a mix or two before you get it right...after that it can become a lot less work mixing.
Really, the balance in your own hearing on the monitors is a constant and very easy to adjust for.
You just listen to some mixes and get an idea of how much treble is needed to get it right according to your taste.
If your hearing or your monitors result in a softer sound your reference material will also sound softer, and you know where you need to aim.
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Posted : Nov 6, 2008 19:37
Well its your opionion how much work and influence whatever has. No need to go into that.
In the end, all that counts is that you know yourself and your speakers and you adapt all together so you can work best.
IF there was a perfectly accurate speaker in "our" prize range I would recommend it to EVERYBODY. But since there are only speakers with flaws available, I recommend them so that the emphasize to the typical mixing mistakes of the user. That way the learning curve is higher.
People who tend to mix too bright should buy a bright speaker and the other way round. That way it is much easier to see the mistakes.
Why should somebody who has the tendency to mix too bright buy a speaker which does even more hide his mistake?
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Posted : Nov 7, 2008 12:04
An interesting thought Subconscious Mind, I like the idea. Tell that to me with my Behringer
I generally know my mix is good when it sounds nice even on a shitty i mac speaker, that in conjunction with my car stereo, my monitors and a friends system is assurance alright. But I do like your concept, it makes absolute sense!
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 12:11
I recently bought Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro Headphones to use while I am traveling or at night as to not disturb my neighbor and they rock. I love my dynaudio's but I can hear the hole's in my mixes better on these headphones. The Dynaudios are a bit flattering. When in doubt I also check in my friends studio which is professionally setup to be flat freq response with KH monitors.
In my experience if you listen in different places and find out how your mix turned out, you can learn to mix on various different monitors that each have slightly different sound. And for those with damaged ears, thats really too bad, I have heard DJ's play and crank up the mid and hi way too much because their ears are fucked. Especially men lose some hearing in old age, but its within our choice to take care of our ears. If they feel like they are bleeding it might be time for a break.
Have you seen those people that dance right in front of the speakers at fesitvals and they think its cool?
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Posted : Nov 9, 2008 15:20
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Have you seen those people that dance right in front of the speakers at fesitvals and they think its cool?
Are they thinking anything at all?
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Posted : Nov 10, 2008 03:13
Wow, that's a piece of exstremely crappy music in there to dance to lol Monitoring devices, know where you go
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