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Duplicating Leads, Panning either one in a hard direction and displacing one slighty.
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 17:22:52
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Just wondering how to use this technique properly. Duplicating a lead, panning one hard left and one hard right and slightly displacing the one by a couple of ms. Is this recommended for psy production when trying to make a lead more defined? Is the method right or have I missed a step? |
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illusions
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 18:38
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How does it sound to you ? 
Watch out for phase issues if you're using the same send fx (like reverb/delay) for both channels. |
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vegetal
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 21:26
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-aeon-
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 21:58
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yeah, phase complications are probably the biggest worry.
you can 'doubletrack' synth parts by carefully modulating key parameters slightly. |
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illusions
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 22:45
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On 2008-07-10 21:26, vegetal wrote:
The problem when it comes to doing that is that its midi and digital so you won´t achieve the same results as if you were to play with lets say a guitar recorded with mics and amp.
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Vegetal - I don't see how there would be a difference ? Same production concept really. |
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vegetal
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Posted : Jul 10, 2008 23:03
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Yes its the same concept yes, BUT it will not sound the same i´ve tried to achieve the feeling and sound of dubbed and panned guitar track and its NOT the same with a synth controlled with midi
First of all imho midi is so precise something a guitarplayer isn´t, every stringhit with the pick will sound diffrent compared to a synth which will most of the time sound the same for every hit ( unless you have some modulated controller on it). The human factor contributes so much to the sound.
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Chemogen
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 01:38
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On 2008-07-10 18:38, illusions wrote:
How does it sound to you ?
Watch out for phase issues if you're using the same send fx (like reverb/delay) for both channels.
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It sounds pretty good, it was pretty much the one way that really helped the lead cut through the mix...What do you think?
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Seamoon
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Posted : Jul 11, 2008 16:42
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 12, 2008 16:53
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i have better idea for doing that
will use to explain with the discovery/nord , with ABCD slots , but u can just duplicate your synth
not the .wav , the synth!
so now we have good sound on slot A (or synth 1)
we duplicate it to slot B , and change some parameters.
the ones i really like to mess with is the pwm , fm , filter , and sure lfo's on all those
now pan slot B to left
again paste to slot C , change some parameters (slightly , we dont talk on hole new layer)
pan slot C (or synth 3) to the right
bom!
ps - if all u want is that "spread" then just use chorus or flanger ? |
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Fright_Rate
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Posted : Jul 13, 2008 23:47
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 14, 2008 14:14
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btw with free-run osc (not retriggered) its easier , not even must chnange too much it happens alone |
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psylevation
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 13:17
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On 2008-07-10 23:03, vegetal wrote:
Yes its the same concept yes, BUT it will not sound the same i´ve tried to achieve the feeling and sound of dubbed and panned guitar track and its NOT the same with a synth controlled with midi
First of all imho midi is so precise something a guitarplayer isn´t, every stringhit with the pick will sound diffrent compared to a synth which will most of the time sound the same for every hit ( unless you have some modulated controller on it). The human factor contributes so much to the sound.
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Change the sound just very slightly, maybe offset the oscillator start point, take off the grid lock, shift some notes tiny amounts, make the velocities different and then stick your microphone up to the speaker and record it playing through the speakers. Try different distances and angles and then use that as your "other version" 
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psylevation
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 13:23
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don't forget to turn off direct monitoring before sticking your microphone up to the speaker  or.....
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Saf
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Posted : Jul 15, 2008 23:52
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In Ableton I often create two return tracks, and pan one hard left, and one hard right. There is track delay in milliseconds on everything in Live, so I adjust the right return track by 5 or so ms, and left by -5ms
Now I take my lead, it doesn't matter if it's audio or midi, and send some amount of it to both return tracks. It makes it a lot bigger, and wider.
You can probably do this in Cubase and Fruity Loops also.
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