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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 6, 2011 16:19:49
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Alright folks i've created this topic because i need you guys to explain me some technical details about music production
I would really appreciate to see both personal and general definitions, and i searched for them but i couldn't find anything specific
Sidechain (Is it compressed or not?)
- I've read sidechain compression can be used to tighten the kick and bass, make them come closer, etc... But then i read about sidechain (without compression) being used to make the kick and bass have better quality. So what is after all sidechain compression? And is there a difference between sidechain and sidechain compression?
Mid Side, Stereo Processing (Is it related to Split (entire) tracks into 2 stereo channels)
- What does mid side processing stand for in music production? Is it something about middle frequencies or not? And the stereo processing, what's your definition for that? Something to do with splitting up the tracks and divide them into the 2 stereo channels?
If you have any links "linking" to some thread here on isra let me know, for that's all, thanks
 
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 6, 2011 18:36
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Use search. Thnx.
Hehe, no really...
Sidechain and sidechain compression is the same... it consist in a compressor that is able to receive a given signal and will compress something when that signal is higher than threshold.
Perhaps you have heard elektro, progressive or even psytrance which bassline is kind of "pumpy".
It is a pretty familiar sound that makes the bass (or other sound like white noise in techno) come after the kick, like fading.
Just search some tube videos on sidechain there are hundreds of tutorials on the subject, pretty used on many genres.
In FL is not so hard to do, easily done with plugin called Fruity Peak Controller then linked to a compressor. Maybe there is an easier way in newer versions.
In Live, Logic and Cubase it is easier as the built in compressors include a sidechaining option.
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Now MS Stereo thing is something I don't understand to the fullest, perhaps someone else could explain it better. Also i don't know if it has any real use in psytrance production other than mastering and stereo enhancing.
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Chemogen
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Posted : Apr 6, 2011 18:50
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Sidechain just means you're using another signal as a key for whatever parameter you want to tweak. You could sidechain the kick to a node on an EQ so that every time the kick plays, the gain on a node on another sound drops.
Be creative, I think most of the native Cubase plug-ins can be sidechain enabled.
Never used M/S before, but I think it allows you isolate both the left and right information as well as the center, so I think a useful application for it would maybe be to use it on a song so you can isolate the vocals from the rest of the track (seeing as vocals are usually dead center in a mix) |
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alajarvela
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 15:14
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I believe that the term you're looking for to make the bass and kick sound tighter is called Buss compression. Don't exactly know how to do it tho. |
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knatch
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 16:06
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On 2011-04-07 15:14, alajarvela wrote:
I believe that the term you're looking for to make the bass and kick sound tighter is called Buss compression. Don't exactly know how to do it tho.
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correct me if im wrong but aint that when you're sending both kick and bass to the same channel that have a compressor which then "glue" them together?
sounds fat but it flattens the sound alot imo |
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psyraal
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 17:45
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knatch
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 17:48
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On 2011-04-07 17:45, NychroLogic wrote:
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sounds fat but it flattens the sound alot imo
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flattens?
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yeah as in taking away lots of dynamics, making it sound more "flat" rather than bouncy.
dont get me wrong tho, it can be done right. but in many productions nowadays i hear overcompressed shit. but i guess thats down to taste as well =) |
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 17:53
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Don't confuse NY style compression with sidechain... NY is better for drums imo... don't confuse yourself with complex compression techniques. It will take a while before you really understand how basic compression works on sidechain, then you can aim higher. |
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knatch
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 18:05
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yea i agree with aciduss. just make yer tunes, the rest will come with time.
and as he said, NY compression, also known as parallel compression which is a technique pretty much used to make your drums and percussion sound more aggressive, and should not really be applied to your bassline.
anyway.. look up sidechaining/side chain compression, a fairly easy technique to make your kick and bass pump a little, and also contributes to a cleaner mix |
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Ascension
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 21:01
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Don't forget, you can sidechain gate something too 
PS- nothing is dumb, a lot of the terms that get thrown around can be confusing when you're not used to using them as some people with more experience are. Besides, compression in general is something that takes a while to grasp, then far longer to get good at. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 21:29
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In facts sidechain doesnt automaticily refers too compression. As there can be sidechain gate,eq, etc.
Sidechaining is when ur sending signal output into and input of another device wich will receive db signal as a controller.
Sidechain compression is using that signal to compress more or less depending on input volume.
If i remember correctly, m/s or stereo effects are affecting only volume and panorama.
If im equing something in m/s it will adjust the sounds in front of if im equing stereo it will affect not the center but those stereo track wich can increase the wideness of the sound.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 22:31
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True... i just mentioned the most used process, i think.
Also it can be just volume control instead of compression which is called 'ducking', i think.
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Disrupted
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 23:22
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True... i just mentioned the most used process, i think.
Also it can be just volume control instead of compression which is called 'ducking', i think.
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Yeah, ducking it think its the name.
Been a long time since i've heard this.
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jekvan
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 23:34
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If the sidechain is for "pump" of bassline,there is somewhat other way to do it.
try puting LFO on a volume (sine wave,or triangle,kinda different feeling to it) ,and then draw in piano roll basslines in the size of that LFO pulse.
Compress the shit out of that sound,so it will sound not like as if the volume of bassline just goes up and down,but it relatively some volume,and you can hear on the edges of the sound "pumping"effect.
At least something I tried and it kinda works.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 7, 2011 23:35
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To me, compression is like ketamine.
People try to explain it; 99% of the time they fail.
It's fucking weird/hard to understand...
But it works really well.
Don't do too much.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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