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FG445
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Posted : Jan 15, 2006 16:35
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Hi all,
which DSP Card would u recomend?
- Creamware Scope Series
- Powercore
- UAD
please collect experiences, tipps, recommendations etc. in this thread ;-)
Thx in advance
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 15, 2006 16:44
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Creamware for the synths. TC for the reverbs. The UAD-1 is supposed to have nice comps, but I haven't heard them in action yet.
My housemate had a Scope system. For me, the Creamware soft synths were the best sounding ones...pissed over the hardware Virus B I used to have.
A guy (Zer0) that releases tunes on the same breakbeat lable (Streetwise) as me, has the 1U Firewire Poco and the Virus plug in. He does not use the Virus much, but the reverbs on his tunes are quite nice and they are all from the Poco. It has also an ok emulation of the sh-101.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 15, 2006 17:57
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I also really like the CW synths and the flexibility in routing and processing it offers.
It also have I/O wich is nice to have on the card IMO.
The downside is that the Scope software clogs the system a bit.
Also I know a few people who just don't get along with the way it integrates in your setup.
I love it and find it both easy to use and very flexible and don't understand why someone would not like it, but obviously many don't.
The fx that come with it is not so special.
The master verb is quite good, but the EQ's and compressors doesn't cut it for me.
I have the Sonic Timeworks pack for it though, which have extremly nice reverb, comp and EQ IMO.
The UAD-1 have great compressors, EQ and reverb and would be my choice if I was not planning to do synthesis on DSP and already had a good I/O card.
The powercore has quality TC fx but I find the virus to be extremly overused and not all that exciting, so I wouldn't get it for synthesis...although I haven't heard the SH-101 or any other synths that might be available for it now.
And personally I prefer the Sonic Timeworks and the UAD fx over the TC counterparts, but thats a matter of taste I guess.
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le barde
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Posted : Jan 15, 2006 20:00
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I consulted some forums and the RME soundcards have a lot of good points from users.
especially about stability and compatibilities.
i don't know if there are dsp fx delivered with, but for sure all audio is fully supported by the dsp's.
i will try the rme multiface in my configuration soon. and then put some reports here. |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 00:47
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RME cards is superior when it comes to performance such as stable drivers and quality converters.
But I wouldn't call the the Multiface or Hammerfall DSP "DSP cards" in the sense the orginal poster seems to be after.
They do have some DSP power, but it's only for basic mixing of signals and cannot be used for fx or synthesis.
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FG445
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 12:48
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Hi mates,
yes Spindrift, u´re right. Im not about to get a Soundcard with DSP mixing. Its about fx and synthesis.
I found an offer for an creamware Pulsar 2 scope - 6 sharc DSP´s and loads of tools and software. I can get this card for 400 british pounds ( 580 euros ).
What do u think at all - is this a good price?
Should i nail it within this ?
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dtd
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 12:54
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hey, i think this fits into this thread:
- who owns a powercore?
- who owns a uad-1 card?
- on what mainboard are you running it?
- what chipset does this mainboard have?
- any problems when using high loads on pci bus (for example using rme cards and recording many simultaneous channels) |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 12:59
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uad is supposed to have the best comps,eqs and some nice reverb , i ll go for this one for processing,the creamware for synthesis. |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 13:11
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On 2006-01-16 12:48, FG445 wrote:
I found an offer for an creamware Pulsar 2 scope - 6 sharc DSP´s and loads of tools and software. I can get this card for 400 british pounds ( 580 euros ).
What do u think at all - is this a good price?
Should i nail it within this ?
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I was about to pull the trigger on a Creamware Scope card (14 DSPs....I think) that I found inside SOS readers adds for £550, but decided against it in the end.
If the bundled software includes Minimax, Pro-1 and the new Prophet 5 emulation, I'd say go for it.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 14:10
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I found an offer for an creamware Pulsar 2 scope - 6 sharc DSP´s and loads of tools and software. I can get this card for 400 british pounds ( 580 euros ).
What do u think at all - is this a good price?
Should i nail it within this ?
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I seen seen several S/H Pulsar2 cards for about €300 and Scope with 15 chips for €800, but €580 could be good if there is some valuable plugs included.
The plugs 14-year old e-tard mentioned is great as well as all Zarg synths and the Timeworks bundle.
Modular 2 or 3 and the Flexor package is a must IMO as well.
@dtd
At least the Pulsar can put a lot of strain on your PCI bus, so choosing your mobo with care is essential.
Currently an nForce3 based mobo seems like the best option.
VIA chipsets is not that good although they are better than they used to be and seems to work nowadays.
Unfortunally nForce4 you should still stay clear of, they tend to be causing problems with at least both CW and RME cards.
Usually I stick with ASUS but they don't have any boards on the market with nForce3 now.
So after some research I built a system for a friend with a Gigabyte K8NSC and that works great with the pulsar at least.
Having said that I started using Pulsar on my old 350Mhz and later on my 866Mhz Dell inspiron using a Magma PCMCIA-PCI converter.
Now I'm running on an ASUS A7N8X with an +1800 XP.
It has been running fine on those systems, so it's more an issue of if there happens to be an certain problem with the architecture than needing to have absolute top performance on your system. (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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dtd
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 14:39
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spindrift, thanks for your valuable input, greatly appreciated! so i definitely won't use nforce4 for my new daw, one year of issues and no fix is a big warning sign 
so it seems i'm searching for nforce3 mobos on the local shops or going for intel 
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FG445
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 16:52
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nah, now thats disappointing, i´m running on an Asus A8N Deluxe with the Nforce 4 Chipset.
Why the hell must u report bugs within this Chipset, oh oh - now i have to reconsider....
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dtd
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 16:57
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FG445, it really depends on the load you put on your pci bus. and if you're not working with very low latencies or many simultaneous recorded channels (e.g. rme soundcards on pci), then you'll probably have no problems
although the issue is reported to cause higher cpu usage than the same setup with same sequencer, vsti, plugs, audio lanes, on nforce3.
also, there may be upcoming problems if you start to use a powercore or uad-1 card, as the companies report on their sites.
what makes me really wonder is that they don't have any 'no-go' notes and sometimes tell they're still investigating, although nforce4 is more than a year old, isn't that weird?! |
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FG445
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 17:16
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its just about selling their stuff.
too many manufacturers, too many standards....
the customer always pays ....
so, thanks god there are forums like this one and ppl who share their experiences and knowledge..
Thx much for that btw. ;-)
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dtd
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 17:17
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you're welcome, happy to help!
my problem is that i'm building a new daw and don't see a way to use amd processors right now |
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