Nomad Moon
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 00:13:27
I'm having problems with my kick, they all sound very boring, how do u guy give the kick that thump, it seems like there's some sort of little reversed swosh rigth before the bodie of the kick, and it doesn't goes that low in freq's as i see it.
this track is just an example, most pro's sound like this, just cant figure it out
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Tudo que é melhor e mais superior em mim saúda tudo que é melhor e mais alto em si
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 11:22
Im using samples, just got some Zenhiser ones that sound pretty good compared to the ones i had, i know u gonna say that i should use my own kicks, but if can't get a decent kick from an already made one...
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 19:21
Use bazzism. It rocks I always used samples till a few days ago, when I discovered bazzism. It helps tonnes.
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 23:58
Hello
Ive been playing around with psytrance for about 5 yrs now. I always noticed that with kicks from pros. Its like what nomad said. Theres something at the start that sounds reversed. I use bazzism and massive for my kicks. Watch youtube tutorial on massive kick. Its very good. U need to compress the shit out of it. But its very punchy plus u can tune your kick to suit your bass much more easily using pitch shift without changing your kicks duration which is very important.
All the best
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Posted : Jan 9, 2012 14:47
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On 2012-01-07 23:58, Chemica wrote:
Hello
Ive been playing around with psytrance for about 5 yrs now. I always noticed that with kicks from pros. Its like what nomad said. Theres something at the start that sounds reversed. I use bazzism and massive for my kicks. Watch youtube tutorial on massive kick. Its very good. U need to compress the shit out of it. But its very punchy plus u can tune your kick to suit your bass much more easily using pitch shift without changing your kicks duration which is very important.
All the best
But does't compression kinda ruins the low end? When i start to compress i always take it back, seems it makes it snapier but looses thump, dont like too much snappy kicks i prefer the woosshthump but maybe i'm listening in the wrong way
By the way, welcome!
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Posted : Jan 9, 2012 21:55
Thanx for the welcome. Sometimes compression isnt needed. That just depends on the sample. Remember Theres no rule for everything. If your losing snap and punch try slowing your attack time more so the compressor starts a little later. I find compression actualluy makes it more snappier n tighter. See how u go. The purpose of compression is to tighten signals and to cut out fluctuation which is why pro artists pay thousands for hardware compression because they are so transparent that it doesnt hurt the dynamics as much. About losing bottom end. If u have a spectrum analyzer like voxengo SPAN or similar have a look see where your kick is triggering in hz. You'll be surprised that the kick is probably rolling off at about 40 hz. Thats low enough. Any lower and its to muddy. If the kick isnt triggering a signal in the lower range. Try subsynth plugin from mda. Its free. Great for kick n bass. And listen on different types of speakers. U may not be hearing freqs that are there.
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Posted : Jan 9, 2012 23:12
it depend how you like your psykick and the sound you get from the synth , but many psy kick won t benefit much from compression with slow attack,it can be still very usefull to define the transient and balance attack/body portion but limiting with slow release to not bring distortion or a comp that sound good with fast attack and slow release you gain a more compact rounded sound.
the aim is not to shape the kick much with limiting or compression like this but chnage the caractere to something more squashed, it can sound less amteurish and more defined too imo.
i haven t tried with software compressor though i got similar compact kick with software limiting but with my distressor i can compress 5 to 10 db and gain a more defined compact sound, the way i do it is i always compress on a kick loop to get the right pumping then i bounce it and offcourse i dont use the first kick as the attack will be uncompressed and i can compress so much that it will sound horrible. the release of my first kick compress the attack of the next one, wiht rright tweaking of attack and realase you can get a nice pumping that way ,the comp give me more weight and hifi sound probably cause of harmonics and i like the compact thingy when squasing a kick and still not get a hugge transient .it s not possible to archieve this effect when compressing just a kick that is not looped you would get a nasty transient.
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Posted : Jan 9, 2012 23:45
...uless you have a comp with look ahead or a very fast comp and slow the amp attack a little on the kick ,that can be a other way to shape the attack that can work good but with the way of compressing in a loop you still have lot of control other the envelop of the sound and you can squash it at same time
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Posted : Jan 10, 2012 16:06
From my experience, for compact round sound its all about dialing in the pitch envelope well and the length of the kick sound...the longer the sustain/release the more bottom end. I use a slow attack 20 to 30ms to get the punch, then compress the body of the kick in order to have a long enough tail, yet push the subs down. I don't compress more than 4dB, very rarely..I used to when I was using samples, but since I have all the parameters in front of me when I create my kicks in Ultrabeat, I haven't found my self compressing a kick more than 4dB in the last year or so.
I don't like using fast attacks, they suck the life out of the kick, although the Softube FET compressor yields nice results with the lookahead parameter, and the detector "low cut" parameter that allows the sub of the kick through uncompressed, Focusrite Compounder style.
I got a nice tone out of it, yet I always get a punchier and louder kick (for the same peak level) out of the Sonnox Dynamics with slow attack and fast release.
The thing with using compressors with really fast release times that do not have a hold function built in is when the release time becomes relative to the lowest frequency present in the signal and then you get that nasty distortion from the compressor working so fast on the signal with such low end, that it becomes some kind of an envelope that shapes the waveform in a way that gives these nasty overtones, that have nothing to do with the harmonic overtones you get in the signal from tube (like) processing.
I always used samples till a few days ago, when I discovered bazzism. It helps tonnes. 
