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O.zen
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Posted : Jan 22, 2003 04:40
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ok, i need some help- i started to work with a drummer on my projects he has a drum set inculdes: 2 snares ,floor tom,high tom,h.hat,4 cymbels,a set of rotortoms,2 timbeles,bonogos and set of 4 cowbels.
well my quastion is:1-what a sound card do i need to record the set on real time to the seq.?(recomended),2-what effects can i use for the drums?(i dont have harware devices)name a plugin's plz.
my last quastion is what can i do to make the sound that recording from the drums will be in the same color of my lines in the seq.(you know what i write and compose is in the comp. only and acustice recording have a diffrent color of sound.)
i hope you will understand my quastions 
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hugo cyanescent
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Posted : Jan 22, 2003 15:27
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You've opened a bit of a can of worms here...
I don't think there are any easy answers to your questions.
If you want to record each drum/cymbal sound simultaneously on separate tracks you will need a soundcard with lots of inputs (MAudio Delta 1010 perhaps).
Alternatively, you could mix the drums down to a stereo pair using a mixing desk, and just record the mix - you'll only need stereo in on your soundcard then. Obviously you won't be able to change levels once it's recorded though.
I like Waves plugins myself - the C1 compressor and Trueverb are great.
If you want to learn more about recording real drums I suggest you read the article in the July 1999 edition of Sound On Sound - available free on the web. Go to www.sospubs.co.uk and click on the articles button.
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Zombi
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Posted : Jan 22, 2003 16:59
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anywhere u go, drumms dont stop !!!
Believe your soul ! |
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O.zen
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Posted : Jan 23, 2003 01:02
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hugo,thanks for the tip i gusse the second alternative is better for me since i dont have alot of money to buy this sound card.
about the plug's- i know almost all of waves plugs and i already using it but i looking for somthing a little bit diffrent you know like some bit crushers and uniqe filters stuff,
about drum recording well i have some expirement in drums recording but not for trance music, well the work on pop or rock recording have a little churter from electronic music , i have doing some recording tests to my projects and i dont know way but i'm getting a diffrent sound that dont feet to trance so much,
if there is someone that did it or doing it some tips will be greatful, thanks
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O.zen
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Posted : Jan 23, 2003 01:05
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oh, and zombi i miss that track 
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hugo cyanescent
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Posted : Jan 23, 2003 18:38
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Hi o.zen,
I don't know anything about recording drums really - my advice is to have a look for stuff on www.sospubs.co.uk. They are generally very good.
I don't really use plugin filters (I like my EMu ones...) but I hear that Frohmage VST, North Pole VST and Waldorf D Pole VST are pretty good. The D Pole has a bit cruncher, too.
Good luck recording your drums! |
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C3PO
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Posted : Jan 24, 2003 00:02
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recording real drums it's not easy buziness , and vst
plugins can't help so much to the recording process.
what u need is about 8 microphones and some
multitrack / soundcard with enuff DACs for yo mics.
what kind of mics for what drums ?
"kick & toms" - akg D112, D12, electrovoice RE20 or
sennheiser MD421. (try some cheap "PZM" mic , it
can do the job very good)
"snare" - Shure SM 57 can be good to capture the full
snare sound.
"hats&symbals" - sennheiser 504 or beyerdynamic M201.
(it's not always necessary to mic the hi-drums,
because they will be recorded to other mics anyway)
those are most polular mics used in drum recordings
every mic has to be placed very carefully to capture
the sound without phasing problems.
room accoustics are very important , if u don't have
accoustic designed room , u can try to rent some
office for one night of drum recordings
in some kinda' office building, because a small office
usually have a good accoustics and carpets , most
important "no neighbors" because a regular size
drumkit make a very loud noize when played .
compression/eq ?
for best results the dynamics and eq's should be
applyed in analogue domain (before it goes thru DACs)
anyway u can always use something like waves vst
after everything recorded, but u will need at least
two compressors and eq's for the recording process
just to get the best levels without distorting the
signal .
Balancing .
each mic has to be placed with enuff distance from
other mics to get the best levels and seperation .
another way to record drums with minimum mics
and equipement is to use only (Shure SM57 and
Creative "$10" pzm mic) the sm57 for snare and
hats, and pzm mic for the bassdrum .
after that u can cut the recording to individual parts
in Recycle, load the loop into sampler, export the
recycle's midi file to cubase , and rearrange the
sounds in the way u want .
happy recording ,
Peace. |
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O.zen
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Posted : Jan 25, 2003 03:22
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thanks c3po!
the problem that i'm using just the copmuter and for the mics i can berow from my studing studio,well i probebly will take from my friend his digtal console (r-bus ,roland)and i will make a ruf mix to stereo and work on the channles in the console.
thanks you all.
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Plan_B
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Posted : Jan 25, 2003 14:33
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Compressor is a key word in here i guess, anyway, let us know how it went!
Goodluck!
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