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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 00:41
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How many channels for the MAIM drum ?
one for kick
one for snare
one for left cymbals and hhat
one for right cymbals
and one for toms maybe ?
how u guys work with that ?
 
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AvS
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 01:41
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I dont really have a standart setup for electronic drums.
Say are you talking about recording a real drums kit?
If so then i would first try out the recorderman setup with only two mics and maybe one extra on the kick. |
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Vermeee
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 04:40
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hmm...well
the standart setup to record real drums would be:
one mic/channel for kick
one mic/channel for snares
one mic/channel for the left side of the drums ( cymbals, hhat, toms from left ).
and one for the right side ( cymbals and toms from right)
in eletronic music till now i use one channel for each part of the drum.... but i see it can be sometimes a waste of time to let each part of the drum on different channels..
what i ask is if it s a good ideia to setup the drums in the eletronic music as the recording of real drums;
so we could give the interactive and dynamic of a real drum played frmo a band.
but would it dirty the channels ? like the channel from the left and right side from the drum where it would has more than one part from the drum.
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vox
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 10:54
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On 2007-08-23 00:41, Vermeee wrote:
How many channels for the MAIM drum ?
one for kick
one for snare
one for left cymbals and hhat
one for right cymbals
and one for toms maybe ?
how u guys work with that ?
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i use one for kick, one for snare, one for all hats (panning is done within drum sampler), one for crash, one for snare roll, one for percussions (tribal, toms, whatever, but only when i use them at all). i set up battery 2 to use 8 stereo outputs, and that's it.
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vox
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 11:08
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On 2007-08-23 04:40, Vermeee wrote:
hmm...well
the standart setup to record real drums would be:
one mic/channel for kick
one mic/channel for snares
one mic/channel for the left side of the drums ( cymbals, hhat, toms from left ).
and one for the right side ( cymbals and toms from right)
in eletronic music till now i use one channel for each part of the drum.... but i see it can be sometimes a waste of time to let each part of the drum on different channels..
what i ask is if it s a good ideia to setup the drums in the eletronic music as the recording of real drums;
so we could give the interactive and dynamic of a real drum played frmo a band.
but would it dirty the channels ? like the channel from the left and right side from the drum where it would has more than one part from the drum.
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what you described is a jazz setup. standard rock drum setup is one or two mics for kick, one or two for snare (one up, one down), two overheads for hats, and one for each tom. basically, it would be extremely complicated to set up drums in electronic music like that, since when you record the drum, you also record some spill from other drum - when miking the cymbals, you will get some snare and tom in it, no matter what you do. this is pretty complicated to do in software. and of course it would dirty the channels, it is the whole idea 
the dynamics of a real drummer is achievable mostly through careful drum programming (playing with velocities and timing), not through dirty recording.
the simple routing you mention is rather easily achievable, but not too useful. you will, of course, have to try it yourself. for that little dirtying up i use parallel compression from time to time.
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AvS
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 14:39
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Sorry I don't understand the point of this thread.
Obviously with electronic drums you will have as many channels as there are samples used for the drums. Or atleast you should have.
Ofcourse you can have all the drum samples loaded in the same sampler so they are all on the same stereo channel, but thats a pretty bad idea.
Shure if you want to compress or eq all the drums with the same comp and eq thats cool, but why not start out with having each drum on its own channel? If you want to run them all through the same compressor then route all the channels to the same bus and apply the comp.
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Aug 23, 2007 18:00
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i usually group samples into fewer buses. for instance:
A bus for kicks/snares/rimshots (i.e. snappy samples),
B bus for organic percussive samples (congas, bongos, toms),
C bus for percussive fx (degraded samples mostly),
D bus for cymbals (hats, rides, crashes).
each of these buses being treated separately (EQs, filters, gates, distortion, reverb etc etc), and then all of them routed to global bus designated for drums where they undergo major treatment for final touch-ups. helps to manage levels/dinamix better'n'easier.
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sy000321
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 13:27
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hey lord deo
long time no see
using groups really helps balancing stuff and mixing
you send the main kick alongside with the snare to the same group? or just \"other\" kicks?
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 17:22
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hey bro, how ya been? how's things in portugal?
yeah kicks and snares, most of the time go to the same bus, but in order to keep snares where they belong, i use HiPass filter on 'em and cut everything below 200-300hz, so the bass kick can have more body.
but then again, i dont do psytrance, or any type of trance no more , i'm back to my roots (acid and noise)...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 17:53
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Lord Deo
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Posted : Aug 24, 2007 18:08
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well it depeneds on style and samples used, but i could see it having horrible effect for trance.
besides, i trow i little dirt on all my drum and real life/organic samples arranged in percussive pattern, i keep them away from clarity & crispiness found in drum section of psy-trance.
bit off-topic: what's bad for trance is wicked for technoid, powernoise and other experimental IDM i do lately.
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