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Doubts in creating Goa melodies
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 21, 2013 17:28
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On 2013-02-21 13:51, Ricciardo wrote:
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You really learned all by yourself?
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YES, and without internet, and without decent material...
not that i have anything against people learning... but what it piss mes off is when people ask questions about the result and not about how to understand a concept
is like someone who opens a topic asking how much is a sume of 40 + 21, because its lazy to learn maths, instead of search answers on the web
and you have everything on the web, its actualy stupid open topics like this, because even on wikipedia there is a fair explanation of what arpegios and scales are..
so... its completly ridiculous
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you are right about the need to find the answer, to experiment,etc....but that dosent mean i can have some leaps with the help of people like in this forum or with friends to get it quicker, Davinci had a master who teached all,Michaelangelo had one, Mozart and Beethoven had their father teaching many stuff while they were learning....
i have learned the essential so faar by my self, but some stuff is really tuff to get it...
good for u learned by yourself, hope u are really good as it seems
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willsanquil
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Posted : Feb 21, 2013 18:03
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I think its ridiculous that someone thinks its ridiculous to ask questions.
When you start out, there is SO MUCH stuff out there...especially for the true beginner. When I started in late 2009 early 2010 I knew nothing about music. Nothing at all. I found this place and I found Tom Cosm's site and between the two pulled myself out of ignorance (though there is still a lot of ignorance left to sort out hehe).
Sometimes you just need a little push in the right direction, or you need to ask a question even if you don't have the tools to ask the proper question. Been there done that.
TLDR - Lighten up. Sure, you can teach yourself everything from scratch with no teachers, but with good advice you can save a ridiculous amount of time. I know for sure 100% that I would not be NEARLY where I am now without isratrance and the internet.
If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Ricciardo
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Posted : Feb 21, 2013 18:42
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On 2013-02-21 17:28, luizwilhelm wrote:
you are right about the need to find the answer, to experiment,etc....but that dosent mean i can have some leaps with the help of people like in this forum or with friends to get it quicker, Davinci had a master who teached all,Michaelangelo had one, Mozart and Beethoven had their father teaching many stuff while they were learning....
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the ones you mentioned were people with high idealism, they were at same time revolutionary in their thinking...
they couldnt possibly learn what they created, and they only managed to find their creations by making mistakes and experimenting!!!
Idealism is superior to knoledge you know? some people start following their "lunatic" ideas before discover things, even against other people who claim their are insane and only wasting time...
and why do people want to learn something quick?? thats exacly the thing that pisses me off, about learning something "fast"...
when you have passion and something please you, you dont need to learn it fast,
you just end up earning experience and then becomes knoledge some day...
i known people who actualy dont written music that much, but they simply enjoy to play with synthesizers, they lock them selfs on rooms and they are not there with the purpose of writting tracks, they are only there because it please them play with the machines...
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 21, 2013 18:58
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about music theory i totally forgot everyhting with the years..(i played instrument since young ).
but what i noticed is when it sound right.. it just right.. so you can just trust your ears and forgot music theory
some friends that know a lot with years of conservatory ect.. you just put a line in the sequencer they knwo already the next 2 or 3 minutes it s crazy.. but i think it may format the music cause you may think more than you feel, it s like big set of rules.. you see music like mathematics after |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Feb 21, 2013 19:23
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Mozart:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart#Early_life
Son of a composer. Trained in music from the earliest age.
Beethoven:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_van_Beethoven#Background_and_early_life
Son of a musician who was also taught from an extremely early age.
I'm not going to make definitive statements as I'm no music scientist, but it seems that a lot of the great composers and musicians have it force fed to them from an early age.
Do you think that without this rigorous training these individuals' 'idealism' would have been sufficient to propel them to their legendary status? I think not.
I agree with your statement about learning 'quickly' to an extent. People are often rushing towards something without taking the time to know what they're doing. However, this does not mean that everything needs to be figured out from scratch. Collaboration and instruction are massive tools for quick growth and to ignore them is a very foolish move IMO 
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 21, 2013 19:42
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i think we would be all locked in our studio wihtout internet, without radio ect.. their would be a lot more intresting music.. we would have zero influence from others leading to very unic sounds.
but yeah for leaning process everyhting that is not related directly to art it s different, production ect there is a lot to learn from others producers.. but about the art of making music what really matter is to ear well pitchs , then it s possible to do what ever we want with sequenced music like psy. it s also matter a lot for poduction, to have a natural sound , pitchs/tuning is everywhere not only on melodie synth.. frequencies are pitchs |
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Sunrise Travellers
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 00:10
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On 2013-02-21 13:51, Ricciardo wrote:
so... its completly ridiculous
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at least you can be more friendly and dont be rude man. if you find the topic "ridiculous" as you said you can just ignore it. its so simple.
@ luizwilhelm:
you have now good tips about i think...
feel free to ask anything if you have more questions...
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 02:52
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On 2013-02-22 00:10, Sunrise Travellers wrote:
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On 2013-02-21 13:51, Ricciardo wrote:
so... its completly ridiculous
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at least you can be more friendly and dont be rude man. if you find the topic "ridiculous" as you said you can just ignore it. its so simple.
@ luizwilhelm:
you have now good tips about i think...
feel free to ask anything if you have more questions...
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sure
i learned intesting stuff, somethings im not using, like the arp things, cause i discovered its midi notes...
before de discussion has beginnig i had 3 post with some doubts about the Filteria melody being a 32th note (all spots with notes) or 16th and im still thinking, but i belive is 16...
i just was in doubt about the structure of the notes of the melody, the scale,notes,harmony im doing quite fine, the instruments i need to keep learning about synth waves to creat those leads...
and about theory and hearing, i think we need both, doing music with theory knowleadge make you get used to listen well played melodies, but you still can be good on that, like me, after listening psytrance and music for many ears i can see wich notes fit,wich dont, the pitch thing.
Finally, know im learning to EQ my instruments, cutting low frequencies, i still need to search alot about this, someone got some tutorial info about mixing instruments and cutting frequencies?
thanks everyone, im very glad many guys came after to help me, i feel good in this place, and have done a little friendship with a member too..
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 03:59
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Padmapani
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 04:49
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On 2013-02-22 02:52, luizwilhelm wrote:
but i belive is 16...
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yup. he has some passages with 32th notes (i.e. in the snuggling snail), but the typical filteria melodies are mostly 16th (of course depending on your synth settings it might sound better if you place 32th notes in a 16th grid).
another tip here: if you're not just playing an arpeggio, but a melodic line (filteria is again a good example), then it souds way more alive if you use different note lengths. if you just place 16th after 16th all the way, it sounds pretty static (that's what i did when started out with making goa trance). it also helps if you try to transcribe some of your favourite melodies. |
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 12:25
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I would go with the phrygian scale or Spanish 8, start constructing a melodie on every 16th note like it was a bassline,then on very offbeat start moving notes up or down, but always check the scale, at a certain point you will find "that note" that gives that oriental feeling  and you go from there
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 16:15
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On 2013-02-22 04:49, Padmapani wrote:
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On 2013-02-22 02:52, luizwilhelm wrote:
but i belive is 16...
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yup. he has some passages with 32th notes (i.e. in the snuggling snail), but the typical filteria melodies are mostly 16th (of course depending on your synth settings it might sound better if you place 32th notes in a 16th grid).
another tip here: if you're not just playing an arpeggio, but a melodic line (filteria is again a good example), then it souds way more alive if you use different note lengths. if you just place 16th after 16th all the way, it sounds pretty static (that's what i did when started out with making goa trance). it also helps if you try to transcribe some of your favourite melodies.
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nice nice....
if i fit 1/16 notes in full grid, then with Alt+mouse make some glides, some long, some short note, even let some little blak space between would be better u think? Cause if i use 1/8 two times in that way, its seems to slow down when im doing a strong,fast, main melody,like the end of lunar civilizations, i belive it dont have any 1/8 notes...
thanks for the tip
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 16:17
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On 2013-02-22 12:25, Nomad Moon wrote:
I would go with the phrygian scale or Spanish 8, start constructing a melodie on every 16th note like it was a bassline,then on very offbeat start moving notes up or down, but always check the scale, at a certain point you will find "that note" that gives that oriental feeling and you go from there
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i had and easly perception to creat goa melodies before know phryrian scale...thats why i trust alot in my ear
i was doing a music in a scale then i learned the scale and was goin to fit it, the song was alredy in phrygian
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 22:17
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another thing...
those Fat leads that filteria uses, to get this Groove sound ( my leads sounds weak) more then delay, is hes using chorus or some other thing to fat that sound?
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Posted : Feb 22, 2013 23:56
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