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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 9, 2013 22:49:10
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im learning know about stero and mono, how should i use and when i should not...
my doubt its...for enxample...
sylenth synth got a mix a and mix b channels for left and right panning....if i let them on same level, cetered , i will have a mono image or stereo image on same level on both channel?if its still stereo it have same effect as mono?i would have no problem with someone hear this synth sound on mono equipament?
And what about the others synths, Vanguard dosent have mix channel option, for me it seems to be mono, as i hear same volume on both ears... what is the difference?
some said bazzism is stereo, but i dont pan my sound, i dont understand that, i should change to mono as like the bassline should be in the utility plugin of Live 9?
if the kick is stereo but got center volume, there will be no problem on mono speakers?only if a got a panned kick to one side more will lose the panning and the right volume will be messed on mono equipament?
thanks
sorry for my newbish questions, ive been looking for this in the forum but only found few things!
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 9, 2013 22:54
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Posted : Apr 9, 2013 23:06
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how i know if my synth sounds are stereo or mono?
Stereo will give two signals while mono give's one??thats why stereo can compromize your sound when not well used?
where i see this stereo or mono mothkfness!!
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 9, 2013 23:06
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not newbish question but i rekon u lookin in2 it to much man..i see this iz burining away tho in ya chest to wana kno ...
there are no shouldnts or shoulds aslong as u understand sum rules then u can brake them goin by guidelines so to speak...
well i dont kno if this helps but at the minuet im experimenting on bassline that have bounced and put in sampler in drum rack i have 4 of the same notes but on one of the keys im gunna delay it - i will narrow the image and i will be sure that the lo end is mono with ms eq,,, i may do sum other crazy shit see how far i can push the mono stereo envelope.......
bazzism stereo? its mono only wen apply a stereo effect it will become stereo..dont let the channel fool u
dont over complicate this man otherwise ul twist yaself in knots 
as for sylenth ive always found these mixes to be a little weak..
in a mix u have a mixture of both to give the impression of depth aswell i guess...im not sure i fully kno what u wana kno m8
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 9, 2013 23:10
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On 2013-04-09 23:06, luizwilhelm wrote:
how i know if my synth sounds are stereo or mono?
Stereo will give two signals while mono give's one??thats why stereo can compromize your sound when not well used?
where i see this stereo or mono mothkfness!!
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well on ya synth wen init patch u start with raw mono as soon as ya put phaser on it or delay reverb chorus then u got stereo, then can alter the spread width and voices,panning and how much stereo u want going on...??? gont kno how all i kno iz that it soundz gooood .....
as soon as u apply a stereo effect boooooom
youv made me start scratching my head now actually haha
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 9, 2013 23:45
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On 2013-04-09 23:06, Geom3 wrote:
well i dont kno if this helps but at the minuet im experimenting on bassline that have bounced and put in sampler in drum rack i have 4 of the same notes but on one of the keys im gunna delay it - i will narrow the image and i will be sure that the lo end is mono with ms eq,,, i may do sum other crazy shit see how far i can push the mono stereo envelope.......
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man im a brazilian trying to understand your slangs!hehhehe hard task...
i dont understand nothing u said about eq envolope mono stuff on the bassline u have sampled... what is MS EQ?mono stereo EQ?hmmmm
im afraid i did shit on my sound cause i havent learned about mono and stereo...
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 9, 2013 23:55
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 10, 2013 00:01
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On 2013-04-09 23:55, luizwilhelm wrote:
and...THANKS geom for your support...
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no worries ,,all i kno is mono single,centered..stereo - the sides...
one thing at a time otherwise il end up overwhelming ya first for knowledge..
what do u hav in mind for u to wana understand..what is it that u trying to do...
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Ancient Alien
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Posted : Apr 10, 2013 00:36
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On 2013-04-10 00:01, Geom3 wrote:
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On 2013-04-09 23:55, luizwilhelm wrote:
and...THANKS geom for your support...
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no worries ,,all i kno is mono single,centered..stereo - the sides...
one thing at a time otherwise il end up overwhelming ya first for knowledge..
what do u hav in mind for u to wana understand..what is it that u trying to do...
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i want to make my kick and bassline mono for better sounding, i have the utility plugin in ableton for that
im just confused cause ive heard many stuff about mono stereo and i have a image in my mind of my sound weak for someknowwhat reason...i have strange feeling now for my future productions
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 10, 2013 00:44
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should be mostly mono anyway..what synth r u using? i assume sylenth...your init patches will always b in mono at5 first providin there no stereo fx on channel or on sylenth...start with ya innit patch do ya filters and ya good to go...worry about the stereo part later...if u have room to wana add that is..
i think u confusing sumfin with sumfin im not sure yet
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Apr 10, 2013 17:25
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If it's centered, then it's mono. It doesn't make any difference, since the end result of your mix is a stereo file anyways. In such a mix there's centre (equivalent to mono), and sides (left/right).
Typically you want your low end to be centered. And you start spreading your sounds as you go up in the spectrum - like said above.
Some DAWs allow you to select mono groups (auxiliary channels), or even select the synthesizer in mono. But the result is the same: you can check it in your master output meters: a mono channel produces equal volume on both left and right channels.
Then polyphony is another thing: when you read some synthesizer is monophonic, what it means is it plays only one note at a time. Has nothing to do with a "mono" signal path, as it can be panned or send to stereo fx like reverb or phaser.
Make sure your kick and bass are handled right, not clashing with each other and with good overall presence. Make room for it in the other sounds. And keep on going!
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Nomad Moon
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Posted : Apr 10, 2013 17:47
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Use some headphones and listen to other people tracks. usualy bass kick and percs are mono and center, but its not a rule, some guys layer a bass on top of a more sub bass and pan one channel left and the other right,
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 10, 2013 18:38
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The only 'rule' that holds any weight for me in regards to Mono and Stereo is that your mix should be mono under 300hz because at or under 300 hz you cannot judge panning.
My favorite tool for this is Ozone 5 Imager, it has very nice multiband stereo imaging and makes it really easy to set one part as mono and then widen other bands for tonal or spacial effects.
I used to use the Ableton utility but the Ozone imager has many more possibilities.
Also, MS EQ is Mid-Side EQ. Some EQ Plugins will have a toggle between Mid EQ and Side EQ - meaning those EQs will only affect the Middle of the signal or the Sides of the signal.
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Geom3
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Posted : Apr 10, 2013 19:18
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I love these if i wana control a bass kick channel in stereo experimentally ...
http://www.brainworx-music.de/en/plugins/bx_control_v2
http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=231
http://www.elevayta.net/product1.htm
http://www.fabfilter.com/products/pro-q-equalizer-plug-in - (for its m/s eq mode)
saves having to layer..as the mono maker will keep what evers spread in the center then do a complete mono check to see if it still sounds ok...coz u can get nasty comb filtering going on so it good to also check it mono if ya gunna experiment widening then M/S eq ya best friend as will sed...but thats 4 another topic..and its deffo no rule just gotta be corrective...
300hz??? go on push it a lil below that i dare u haha 
anyways i mean on a kik bass group gentle tweak for extra dimension, i dont like it too flat...but it a taste thing i guess...just use the corrective tools to keep within the """rules"""
yeh ozones imager is only thing i like on that vst...and the fact that it lets u do M/S reverb aswell can produce huge sounding results
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Posted : Apr 11, 2013 03:42
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http://www.nugenaudio.com/monofilter.php
Mix | Sound Design | Mastering
Bringing definition to 'weak', 'hollow' or 'flat bass'. The modern recording process, with multiple mic. recording and sophisticated synth sound generation techniques can often interfere with the phase alignment, focus and 'punch' of the low frequencies, resulting in a feeling of diffused power and weak transients. Monofilter fixes this simply. Add to the track, group, master bus or FX return as appropriate and choose a suitable preset. It's as simple as that. If tweaking is not your thing, hit the 'auto' buttons and sit back, otherwise, in-depth analysis and gentle honing of the parameters are all available via the advanced intuitive user interface.
Centering the bass where stereo FX are used. Applying stereo effects to liven or enrich a sound can work wonders in the mid and high frequencies, but often muddies up the bottom end. Using Monofilter you can add stereo effects and still retain a solid centre in the bass frequencies, by reducing the width below the point at which stereo nature of the effect has ceased to make significant impact. - my favourite
Correcting phase issues. Some stereo effects use phase shifting to create the desired sound. This can cause cancellations and superpositions of certain frequencies when the channels are forced back to mono. Similar problems can be encountered with live recordings where different microphone placements have introduced phase artifacts. Using the Phase control you can adjust the phase of the L and R components being summed below the threshold frequency to correct any phase imbalance. If the input signal has a dynamic phase shift, the auto button can be engaged to automatically analyse and track the shift, adjusting for maximum phase alignment.
Sampling from vinyl / Restoring old masters. Sound sampled from vinyl, a staple of modern music production, can also bring with it problems. Over time, vinyl deteriorates. Old recordings can also suffer from rather eccentric mixing techniques. Using a stereo analyser on an old vinyl recording will often show very high levels of stereo drift right across the frequency range. Monofilter can be used to smooth out stereo image irregularities in vintage vinyl and re-centre wandering bass/sub bass sounds without affecting the rest of the mix.
Taking care for vinyl. Vinyl has difficulty reproducing stereo information in the low frequencies. Wide stereo frequencies in the bass can cause the needle to jump upon playback, so the track has to be cut at a lower level to compensate. It also difficult for the lathe to cut this information accurately. To quote a vinyl mastering specialist:
‘The moral for engineers is: If you are looking for hot levels or long sides, don't pan instruments like drums and percussion hard left and right. Keep the bass and bass drum in the center, and keep everything in phase. An out of phase snare or bass drum can wreak havoc. Use an oscilloscope if possible!’
Using Monofilter you can centre the bass and adjust the phase ensuring that your recordings are properly prepared for vinyl pressing.
During Live Recording and Performance. When working with live material, giving attention to taming the unpredictable and treating the PA with respect can bring real benefits. Using Monofilter to ensure that the subs (and even the bass frequencies in general) are centred in the mix can help share the load between over worked amplifiers and speakers as well as providing a sharper level of clarity in the bottom end. Where a more subtle approach would be of benefit, Monofilter can be used with individual problem instruments and groups (toms/laptop performers/DJ’s/keyboard players using global delay etc.)
‘Panning’ Bass. Panning bass sounds is usually something best avoided as off-centre high energy in the low frequencies can present more problems than it resolves. However, using Monofilter a sound may be panned and the low frequencies present in say a bass guitar track, can be centred using the Monofilter process, the higher frequencies (ie. much of the attack component) can be moved in the stereo field without the usual problems of the attending lows, giving the impression that the bass part has been panned, when really it is only the high, directional information carrying frequencies that have been moved.
Making a frequency split. Monofilter has a very transparent, high performance crossover filter which can be used to split an audio signal into two frequency bands for individual processing. This can be achieved using two instances as follows: Split the audio into two streams (using groups/duplicate audio tracks etc.) and use two identical instances of Monofilter, one on each signal. Select the ‘Mono’ output button on one instance for the low frequency mono information and the ‘Stereo’ output button on the other for the stereo information above the threshold frequency.
http://www.nugenaudio.com/stereoizer.php
Mix | Sound Design
>Expanding narrow stereo spectra
>Introducing width to mono recordings
>Enhancing the depth of FX return channels
>Reigning in over enthusiastic spot FX
>Creating 'centre space'
>Settling 'forward' sounds
>Generating panoramic ambience
>Adding richness and gloss
>Re-focussing central solidity
>Avoiding heavy EQ and/or compression
>Opening up cluttered frequencies
>Fixing poorly positioned mic.'s
>Adding depth, width and space to specific tracks
>Enlivening static sounds
hopes this lot helps even if aint what was requested... all ties tho
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