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Done the track but masterizing sucks what to do?
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Kala Raksha
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Posted : Jul 29, 2003 08:01
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I have done several trax but all of them have one problem in common, the masterizing sucks, i have done several things to try to fix this but everything seem to be in vain. Also sometimes the mixing seems to be bad but i keep on working.
Any comments on this?
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O.zen
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Posted : Jul 29, 2003 15:28
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you probebly doing the mix in your pc program what makes the mix sound bad,try to bounse your channels to a mixinig desk(analog/digital)and do the mix there it will sound a lot better.
the pc programs mix have to do a lots of alogertims calculates that makes the tracks sound bad.
if you dont have a mixing desk you can do the mixdown in a premative way by recording your master output to your input on the program that your are using.
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Trip-
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Posted : Jul 29, 2003 16:10
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Mate,
mixing and mastering are two varied subjects which you learn with time. You can do some readings about this subject and of course brows this sectrion in the forum for many tips - also find many tips on the internet.
The one tip I can give you right now is - teach your ears.
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serotonot
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Posted : Jul 29, 2003 17:45
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hmm. I'd like to ask firstly that what program(s) are you using? |
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mlazar
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Posted : Jul 29, 2003 18:19
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I would also like to know what kind of monitors you are using.
I had the same exact problem, got into my monitors and now my girlfriend feels my mixing is cleaner right off the bat.
I'm going back on my older tracks that I couldn't get right and seeing if I can't manage anything better myself. 
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Kala Raksha
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Posted : Jul 29, 2003 23:30
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First of all, thank you all for the information, well the programs im using are nuendo/cubase to do the final sequencing, mixing and masterization i also use wavelab to masterize, first i make like a fast mix in reason, cubase, etc... depending on which synths im using, software, etc...
Then i export the wav files or i record them if im using an external synth, and finally i make the mix and all that stuff.
By the way im using Alessis Monitor One |
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serotonot
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Posted : Jul 30, 2003 10:10
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first of all if you use reason take of the mixer from it, put the instruments straight to hardware interface and mix 'em in cubase. That's because at least for me, the sound got instantly better after doing this. There must be some bad algorithms in reason mixer that screws up the sound. And what comes to mastering, I'd recommend to mix and mix and mix until the track sounds as mastered. Ppl are always thinking that mastering is like a magic trick that can fix problems from the tracks but it's more for making good things better. So I recommend you to forget the whole mastering until the mixdown is as good as mastered song. |
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TuK
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Posted : Jul 30, 2003 11:49
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i agrea with serotonot first get the mix right
a lot of people start to master when the mix is not right and then the whole track sounds bad a second thing when you do the mix try not only to use monitors or headphones use them both and here the mix in diferent places
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KosMos
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 10:12
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EQualize everything..!
...well almost everything
(and use clean sounds)
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schuenck
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Posted : Nov 3, 2003 18:40
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So what u are saying for example ;is that u make your music with Reason, then u export every loop, druns, voices, syns, to wav file, then u masterize and mix then o CUBASE?
If is that right, I ask 2...Can I masterize and mix these wav files exported from Reason with "Sonas"?
Sorry about my bad english...
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solipt1c
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Posted : Nov 3, 2003 19:41
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Really imho there is no major reason for unsigned producers with bedroom studios to get too involved with mastering.
Just concentrate on getting fat production and a clean mixdown, and all you need is a little peak limiting.
I have had people compliment me on my mastering of my last few tunes... and I didnt master them at all. Whereas 6 months ago I was running amok with all sorts of multiband mastering tools and nobody said they sounded well mastered 
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solipt1c
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Posted : Nov 3, 2003 19:43
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PS - fifty quid says your problem is insufficient compression.
this will lead to things being too quiet, and as sounds fluctuate in volume, they can drop in and out of audibility, making it seem badly mixed.
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WAVELOGIX
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Posted : Nov 3, 2003 20:56
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hi to everybody out here
i thought i could help some frnds out here who seem to be a little lost in mixing and mastering .....
1.see when a track is made first select all the right sounds by default.
2. then equalize , compress indivudual sounds so that they fit tightly into each other . even if a sound just requires a single band eq , do it ... trust me it helps ...
3. then add all specific fx such as reverb , delays and any other as the "track" may require . dont go adding fx for specific sounds , coz every sound will sound goood with fx but may end up fucking the track ... so always see wat the "track" needs .
4.after all that is done , and ur ready with ur sequence , now its time for a final levelling .
put down all ur faders and run the track . pu up monitor levels pretty high [85-90 db ] optimal. [flethcer - munson curves ], if u ppl know .. . then start levelling by raising faders one by one .
5. be sure dont put anything in the master as it only worsens up all tht uve done , if u arent doing it right or u dont know what ure doing . for noobs i suggest dont ever ever go for any maximizer , mastering , multiband compression plugin in master .
the final mixdown should sound kick ass on its own .
6. once this is ready and ure satisfied then think abt "mastering ". if u still arent satisfied with ur seq. dont even think abt mastering as ur mixdow is still imperfect .
now sumthn on mastering .
mastering is a very special job and there are special mastering engineers to do this job .
it is done with pro equipments costing usd 10,000 upwards . mastering is not done to improve the fidelity or sonic character of the track , but is used to compensate for the medium on which it is finally going to be printed ..
so all u ppl who think tht mastering is what ur track needs if it dosent sound right is all utter bullshit . its all in the mixdown .
trust me ... good mixdown sound better than average masters !!!!
so just focus on mixing and pls pls pls stay away frm all those matering , maximizer plugins .
then only end up fuucking ur track .
al tht sounds loud is not necessarily tight .
bye 4 now ...
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Te_nTe
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Posted : Nov 3, 2003 22:36
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Hi there
ozen - what you said about pc softwares is wrong
i suggest that if you talking like this you dont know what is analog to digital converters or how exactly they work.
KosMos - you can eq , but not boosting specific freq's.boost freq's if it's the last choice.
Kala Raksha - After you done what Global Trance Network said then:
when you use mastering tools , you can check if they make your sound better or worse.
try putting less things - it will probably make your sound more live . if you are not experienced in putting reverb(i mean you know what is every button makes (damp,room size,pre -delay and more - you must know exactly what it does)
- do not put reverb - it will only make it worse
just use what you need - that's the key |
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