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Don't Boost @ EQ!!!
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Adrenal Mode
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 21:55
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On 2006-11-22 21:29, Freakuency wrote:
By cutting disturbing frequencies u emphasize the frequencies u want.
This is very hard to explain
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no its not so hard if you know it
every freq you cut will boost some freq, but what are the freq that will be boosted? just double the freq you cut
like this:
cut the 500hz this will boost the 1k
cut the 300hz this will boost the 600hz
and so on.....
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Serag
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:04
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Algorithmics.
Diferent eqs has diferent algorithmics, so when u use a good 5000 dlls Manley eq you get algorothmics of 5000 dlls, there you can cut and boost without any worrie for sure, but if u make ur eq in reason or cubase well.. i think is obvious what you get.
But yes,, a good advise is to cut and not to boost. |
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:06
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On 2006-11-22 21:55, Adrenal Mode wrote:
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On 2006-11-22 21:29, Freakuency wrote:
By cutting disturbing frequencies u emphasize the frequencies u want.
This is very hard to explain
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no its not so hard if you know it
every freq you cut will boost some freq, but what are the freq that will be boosted? just double the freq you cut
like this:
cut the 500hz this will boost the 1k
cut the 300hz this will boost the 600hz
and so on.....
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This is cool! 
By how much is the x2 freq boosted?
Does it act in a vice versa fashion when you are cutting the higher frequencies?: what i mean is when i am cuttin the higher freqs, are any of the lower freqs boosted?
Or does this depend upon your Equaliser?
So what this means is that any cuts made would have to be replicated at double intervals. If i'm cutting @ 300Hz, I have to cut @ 600Hz as well to maintain the characteristics of the sound!! But by how much? What's the Ratio of Cut:Boost?
Cheers Mates!!
You have got my thinking here!
B'om Shankara!!!
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Serag
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:11
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Whats the ratio of cut? very good question!
I make that question too. |
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 22:18
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On 2006-11-22 21:52, qane wrote:
Here is my advice on EQing your bass in Reason :
Throw in the PEQ-2 (2 band eq) under subtractor, It should connect itself and all the good stuff.
Run your bassline as a solo loop so you can listen as you're doing this.
Turn on Filter B in the EQ, set filter b frequency to about 15-25, "Q" in the middle (about 64), and gain to 20.
Set filter A's frequency to 127, "Q" to 0, and gain to -64 (this is to eliminate the air frequencies that you don't want in the bass tone.)
You'll have to play with it to get the sound right, but those should be your general settings for EQing a bassline. If you use another EQ in Reason (I'm not even sure that there is one, I just opened up reason to do this for you), you can just mess around with it to get the same sort of curve..if the bass sounds a bit dry adjust filter B's "Q" knob up a bit..
My tips for EQing on the master bus :
This is a bit of a sketchy topic, but here are my feelings on EQing for mastering...
I tend to automatically bring the 20-30 and 17,000-20,000 ranges down a few decibels..EQing depends heavily on the frequency range of the track itself, and I feel that it's more important to use as much of the spectrum as possible within the track, even for darkpsy artists, because your track will sound a bit monotonus in the end, nomatter how well the mastering is done.
I use Izotope Ozone for EQing and reverb, so i usually just put one of the band markers all the way at the end of the spectrum and one all the way on the top and dampen them about (-)5-7dB to get a nice curve started. Again, depends on the track. I usually center another band close to 120hz and dampen that about 2-3dB. I find that the bass noises seem louder in open air than in headphones.
Don't EVER completely cut out a frequency, it will ruin the entire mix. For example if you cut out everything 20-30hz, when you play the track live or loud on monitors there won't be any "feel" to the track, and it will sound wrong, simply put. If you use a lot of hats, don't go too crazy with dampening the high end EQ.
My main advice here is that you shouldn't totally cut out any frequency, and that the answer to your question depends on the track.
Good luck to you!
-qane
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Thanx qane!!! It's been a while since i've been given such sound 'practical' advise based on the Reason platform .... much respect and big hugzzzzzz!!!!
B'om Shankara!!!
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Dharma Lab
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 23:11
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On 2006-11-22 21:55, Adrenal Mode wrote:
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On 2006-11-22 21:29, Freakuency wrote:
By cutting disturbing frequencies u emphasize the frequencies u want.
This is very hard to explain
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no its not so hard if you know it
every freq you cut will boost some freq, but what are the freq that will be boosted? just double the freq you cut
like this:
cut the 500hz this will boost the 1k
cut the 300hz this will boost the 600hz
and so on.....
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I've been told before that cutting an freq band right below the 1st or 2nd harmonic freq will clean up a sound. I've never heard that it boosts upper harmonics. It kind of seems counter intuitive, but I'm far from an expert in these matters. Can you explain why this happens, I'm curious?
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 22, 2006 23:53
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On 2006-11-22 23:11, Dharma Lab wrote:
I've been told before that cutting an freq band right below the 1st or 2nd harmonic freq will clean up a sound. I've never heard that it boosts upper harmonics. It kind of seems counter intuitive, but I'm far from an expert in these matters. Can you explain why this happens, I'm curious?
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I think he's joking ... or I hope he is. Either way, it isn't really correct.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 00:09
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On 2006-11-22 23:53, UnderTow wrote:
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On 2006-11-22 23:11, Dharma Lab wrote:
I've been told before that cutting an freq band right below the 1st or 2nd harmonic freq will clean up a sound. I've never heard that it boosts upper harmonics. It kind of seems counter intuitive, but I'm far from an expert in these matters. Can you explain why this happens, I'm curious?
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I think he's joking ... or I hope he is. Either way, it isn't really correct.
UnderTow
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actualy it is correct.
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 00:10
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On 2006-11-23 00:09, postunder wrote
actualy it is correct.
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No it isn't.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 00:12
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any eq u put, cutting from the lows boosts the up and vise versa.
take a sound, see how high it is on the mixer.
put an eq on it
take off from the lows
and notice often the overal volume INCREASES.
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Medea
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 00:21
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boosting using average-quality plugins or hardware eq's brakes the naturality of the sound, but natural sound is not always beautiful, ESPECIAALY when we're talking about electronic music, which consist mainly of unnatural sounds=))
so believe your ears)) |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 00:51
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On 2006-11-23 00:12, postunder wrote:
any eq u put, cutting from the lows boosts the up and vise versa.
take a sound, see how high it is on the mixer.
put an eq on it
take off from the lows
and notice often the overal volume INCREASES.
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This simply isn't true. There are occasions when removing certain frequencies that cancel out with other frequencies can cause an increase of the overal level but that is certainly NOT a general rule. For instance, this can happen in certain conditions with square waves.
Square waves can be seen as an infinite amount of sine waves with a fundamental at the basic tone and all the odd harmonics decreasing in level ad infinitum. (Level of fundamental sine + 1/3 level X 3rd harmonic + 1/5 level X 5th harmonic + 1/7 level X 7th harmonic etc). All these sine waves, when added up, will cause addition and cancelations to form the shape of the square wave.
Filtering out all the harmonics of a theoreticaly perfect square wave will leave you with a sine wave 3 dB louder than the original square wave.
There is also the fact that most meters don't look at the reconstructed wave form but rather at the sample values. When you apply a steep low-pass filter (at a high frequency) you are creating a sort of pseudo reconstruction filter causing the meters to show higher (more correct) values while the sound doesn't actually sound any louder.
This is best demonstrated by taking a full bandwidth white noise signal, inserting a highquality and high Q (48 dB/Oct if you have one) lowpass filter at a high frequency (try 19Khz) into the signal chain and turning it on and off. Do you hear a difference in level? You shouldn't. But now insert a level meter behind the filter. When you turn the filter on, you should see the meters jump up by 3 dB. (Unless they are oversampling meters).
But cutting out certain frequencies does certainly not boost other frequencies per definition and certainly not at twice the frequency of the cut. That isn't how it works.
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Psyfex
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 01:08
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Being an audio engineer, i always subscribe to the "subtractive" method of EQ'ing as much as possible, especially in a live situation or when I have to tune a PA for a room.
I would say as a general rule, yes, avoid boosting the EQ when u can, and find out how to solve your problems by cutting instead. In a digital production sense, this will allow for more headroom and ultimatly less chance of distortion and digital quanization errors.
Obviously boosting of some sort is always needed somewhere in a studio production, but dont overdo it!
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faxinadu
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Posted : Nov 23, 2006 01:31
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Boosting a freq range on a parametric EQ may cause a decrease in headroom... And vice versa. Thus introducing distortion or other unwelcome "friends".
Additionally, boosting/cutting a freq range is affecting the overall sound psychoacousticly in our ears/brain.
postunder, your ears are correct...
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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