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Does religion still have a place in this scene?
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V3NOM
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 09:38:08
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Because back when I got into, and yes I never really like this aspect of the scene, it was Hindu this & Buddha that and all of that sh!t (no disrespect to the religion, just to the way it was used in this scene).
I guess to me back in those early days there was an element of respect in the music to these religions, and seeing as Thailand & India were the places to go back then it seemed at least mildly relevant.
Now with our scene so spread out around western as well as eastern parts of the world, and the styles that have developed, the religious aspects seems to have been lost in most of the music.
I just find it funny still that many labels still put this imagery on their covers etc. when the music doesn't seem to relate at all.
What are your thoughts?
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shahar
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 09:46
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For me everything has a place, as long as it's done with respect and understanding for others.
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 09:50
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It wasn't about religion (which is by definition is someone else's idea/experience of what "it" is about), but spirituality/mysticism, which is the direct personal revelatory experience.
Sombunal people didn't grok and understand the use of symbology, and just wanted to wear it like a fashion like Prada/D&G etc, and use it as "branding".
At this point a lot of the practicioneers thought "f**k this for a game of cards" and left....
The reason why labels etc continue to use these images for the most part, is that they are mosbunal unimaginative copy cats, who don't have a single original thought/creative capacity of their own. In this way they are like a religion, trading on someone else's idea of what it is about, normally to sell you a product/forgiveness/some bullshit story to get whatever it is they deem they must have.
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V3NOM
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 10:01
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mmm well I never have nor never will use symbols/images that I don't understand simply because with the little understanding i've gathered from travel, whether you believe in it or not, it's not worth the possible negative outcomes of such abuse...
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 10:21
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well you know for a fact that psytrance will not be played at your local church or temple or mosque or synagogue etc...the music may arouse some sentiment, maybe its religious maybe its not..the sentiment will be depend on the individual listening experience and what is on the mind of that listener.
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TranceVisuals
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 10:23
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So long as you don't think that the symbols have an inate power, as that is yet more bollox/illusion.
They are just symbols, but their "power" comes in how they illuminate our minds. E.g. It is ourselves doing it to ourselves.
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moki
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 10:42
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gutter
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 11:22
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no +1
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psykeshwar
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 13:50
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yes for me !
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kazuku
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 13:55
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On 2010-04-29 09:46, shahar wrote:
For me everything has a place, as long as it's done with respect and understanding for others.
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For sure.
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JohnTaramas
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 14:29
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religion was invented to explain the fear of death in the start and monotheistic religions to control the masses, this has not so much respect and understanding to others.. Psytrance is a music that can easily provoke awe, so it makes sense seeing religious people sticking on this new situation and trying to spread their feelings for god through images. Most people these days wouldn't fall if relegious decorations no longer existed
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Fometrius
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 16:01
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Yes it does,this is like electronic religion.Why? Because all religions are interpretations of the same thing (the root of everything) and this music is trying to channel that with our music and getting the listener in contact with that inside oneself.
This does not mean that all religions are that but they are trying to do so,to understand the root of life and be conntected with it and that is what this culture is doing.Trying to go beyond the walls that limits what we know and can understand and move to the core of existence.
That is the true psychedelic mission.
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psykeshwar
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 16:11
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music is the only religon!!!!
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 16:18
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No, it's time to evolve.
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moki
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 16:21
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On 2010-04-29 13:55, kazuku wrote:
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On 2010-04-29 09:46, shahar wrote:
For me everything has a place, as long as it's done with respect and understanding for others.
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so if it is not done with understanding and respect to others, then it has obviously no place... or is my logic false?:)
my exact answer to the question of the thread:
in the underground spheres of our scene - for sure.
otherwise no. better not do anything rather than doing it half. putting some religious symbols will not make anyone religious. neither will anyone become mother teresa just by writing a few words about it. it is all about the religious experience- you either have it or not. you have seen it or not.
religion is something that is always connected to freedom of religion in terms of modern democracy. if i dont see this freedom of religion at the partys of nowadays, then religious beliefs have in my opinion no place in the trance scene today. 
lovely greets to all of you wthough, who still find a touch of a religious experience in their trancing. i do. but not " in the main stream scene". it is more like a secret and a mystery that has to be kept far away from the fashion of trance.
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