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Does psy trance unite people? myth or reality?
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euphoria
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 17:15
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some questions especially for the Greek members of the forum.
1) PLUR. Sounds as the dream of all mankind.
is it just the psychoactive substances illusion? Is it a promotional trick developed by international drug cartels and festival organisers? Or is it a pure healthy vision?
2) Does trance and it's theoreticaly culture purpose, should be above any other existed international conflicts? Do you believe that psy-unity can overwhelm existed imperialistic regims?
3) beeing friendly and "openminded" towards nations who still violate human rights and international convetions. Will such attidude have a possitive impact and therefore a general peacefull feedback from these nations?
I will reply first here and i will express my doupts and base them. Global multinational commercialism has flatered everything in the name of the one and only God. this god's name is MONEY. Trance has become just another minor istrument of the upcoming globalisation. A new trend aiming to eliminate the roots of races in the name of financial and imperialistic profit of the ones in power. I believe trance should remain a simple dance music genre. I think it is very dangerous to generalise it's "peacfull" cause since many young ppl under the influence of psychedelic drugs can fall to a well settled trap, aiming to eliminate their racial charachteristics and make them "equal" with other races wich obviously and in a very big percentage remain a dangerous threat for us.
I hope this topic will not be considered a political one, since it is dealing with a deeper aproach of what trance serves afterall.
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sungroup
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 17:35
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On 2006-02-21 17:15, euphoria wrote:
1) PLUR. Sounds as the dream of all mankind.
is it just the psychoactive substances illusion? Is it a promotional trick developed by international drug cartels and festival organisers?
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I think this is true
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tim@motion
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 18:01
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On 2006-02-21 17:15, euphoria wrote:
Trance has become just another minor istrument of the upcoming globalisation. A new trend aiming to eliminate the roots of races in the name of financial and imperialistic profit of the ones in power.
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i guess you mean that the general globalisation is aiming to serve such purposes, and not trance it self, wich as you say is a minor instrument of this purpose. If yes then i agree.
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I believe trance should remain a simple dance music genre. I think it is very dangerous to generalise it's "peacfull" cause since many young ppl under the influence of psychedelic drugs can fall to a well settled trap, aiming to eliminate their racial charachteristics and make them "equal" with other races wich obviously and in a very big percentage remain a dangerous threat for us.
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some true is hidden behind these words i think. Although i don't want to believe something like this. Sounds scary. I fully agree though that trance is a dance genre especially nowdays. Religious shocks, spiritual journeys etc are realy dangerous if they become an adictive habit.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 18:08
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I think PLUR was conceived as an idea by the hippies-wasnt it?
Now, I dont think there is much PLUR around nowdays though in PsyTrance "circles" i do believe it exists in a bigger extend than other "circles" . PLUR was a healthy vision ,though i couldnt describe it as such nowdays.I mean today everything is kinda transfigured and has more than ome meaning ,doesnit?So is PLUR: for some its there for some it isnt and among different ppl it means different things.
I do agree with your god theory but i disagree with the whole race distinctions :i do believe that we are all equal-after all we are all humans living ans sharing the same planet,same feelings ..love ,hate,death,life...
We are all going to die in the end so why try and make things harder than they allready are? Hatred between these countries has been goin on for quite some time ,dont u think its a good time for a change? and after all, most ppl I know-if not everyone - have their own issues to attend to and dont even have a clue about the decicions being made for them. without them.So whats the point in trying to "protect" ourselves from these "dangerous" races when in fact we cant do a damn thing within our own country..
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shamanizer
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 18:58
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Few quick comments on the topic.
PLUR. Ok, surely plur attitude still exists, the question is to what extent. Its easy to say or type plur, but to take it to practice is another thing. Anyhow, too often plur seems to be just empty words people spit out without thinking the concept itself. To have plur attitude is not an easy task, one needs to be rational and emotional at the same time to succeed in it, but thats what makes it hard, these two concepts often contradict with each others. Anyhow, I think its enough if people would really take some time to think what plur really means and if people would do their best to try to follow this concept. Its a deep concept even though its often being used too casually. It takes much self control to have this attitude.
Its not some modern gimmick even though it sometimes might look like that.
Money is everywhere, also within trance scene, its inevitable. People want to make living from trance, from the music or from the life style. Nothing wrong with that. I think that generally speaking trance scene is still rather healthy in terms of money making. Naturally there are exceptions and greed takes over sometimes.
Globalization is too broad concept to use in here. Certainly trance culture has evolved and spread around the globe, but its message in its purest form is positive. People should be equal, plur etc. But one must keep in mind that its still a very marginal movement and there are people with very different opinions and backgrounds in it. Still, it represents individual freedom to be what ever you want without judging you for that as long as it is within generally accepted moral codes. You don't need to get rid of your racial characteristics, how could you anyway, but to be equal among other people is another case and that should be respected.
BTW, in order to get more feedback on the topic it could be a good idea to move this thread to the trance section  .
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euphoria
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 19:08
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On 2006-02-21 18:08, Psy_mystic wrote:
i do believe that we are all equal-after all we are all humans living ans sharing the same planet,same feelings ..love ,hate,death,life...
We are all going to die in the end so why try and make things harder than they allready are? Hatred between these countries has been goin on for quite some time ,dont u think its a good time for a change? and after all, most ppl I know-if not everyone - have their own issues to attend to and dont even have a clue about the decicions being made for them. without them.So whats the point in trying to "protect" ourselves from these "dangerous" races when in fact we cant do a damn thing within our own country..
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i trully wish that some particular race will share and respect such forwarding inovative and civilised thinking. I honestly mean that, and makes me realy proud that such words are coming out of a Greek person. Allow me though to keep my doupts and let me argue if such thinking is shared beyond the aegean sea. At least by a dangerous majority of them.
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Hatred between these countries has been goin on for quite some time ,dont u think its a good time for a change?
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Well let's say i do. But Do they as well? The facts seem to justifie me i think.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 19:31
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Well let's say i do. But Do they as well? The facts seem to justifie me i think.
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I cannot answer to that cause allthough i know some of these facts its impossible to view the whole picture if you know what i mean . But i understand your point of view and feelings and i guess its inherited in every greek person (including me,even if i show and truly believe otherwise i cannot deny that there is still that "flame" burning inside of me , im sure u know what i mean ). But to be perfectly honest with you ,we are a small country that has suffered enough from outsiders BUT it hurts me the most when it suffers from the inside.
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psylocibin
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 19:39
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On 2006-02-21 17:15, euphoria wrote:
1) PLUR. Sounds as the dream of all mankind.
is it just the psychoactive substances illusion? Is it a promotional trick developed by international drug cartels and festival organisers?
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I think this is true
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I think is silly
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euphoria
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 19:55
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andrejcid
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 20:14
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I think it is very dangerous to generalise it's "peacfull" cause since many young ppl under the influence of psychedelic drugs can fall to a well settled trap, aiming to eliminate their racial charachteristics and make them "equal" with other races wich obviously and in a very big percentage remain a dangerous threat for us.
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huh?
without intending to fight with u again (I'm sick of it really..), I will only ask u to stop being RACIST!!!! dont u realise that your statements resemble sick Hitler-like racism?!
why I think so? - well its obvious, u happen to think that a race is a danger to u and your 'superior' values/knowledge (or your nation..dont quite know what u mean).
Regarding the ratial characteristics I assure u that noone can change them (appart from a plastic surgant lol) because the differences are purely physical (skin colour etc.), which u should be aware of already.
not sure if u know, but i'm from the same 'race' as u.....which makes me think that u may be confusing nationality with race?
U need to understand that if u hate my guts for instance, its because of a conflict betwen 2 INDIVIDUALS (u & me or whetever), hence pls dont try to purely base it on national or race grounds. its just untolerably fuckin wrong.
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i trully wish that some particular race will share and respect such forwarding inovative and civilised thinking. I honestly mean that, and makes me realy proud that such words are coming out of a Greek person. Allow me though to keep my doupts and let me argue if such thinking is shared beyond the aegean sea. At least by a dangerous majority of them
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I'll say it AGAIN, your misleading sense of nationalism has severely merged into dangerously sick racism.
if u agree with the wise words posted by psy_mystic, u may want to try showing that in practice?! As usual, u are contradicting yourself again
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Well let's say i do. But Do they as well? The facts seem to justifie me i think
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who is 'they' euphoria? i'll say again, stop fucking generalising and talking in the name of (or judging at) a large group of ppl. btw, the contradiction here is that the 'they' is only yourself. I honestly do hope u will one day realise what u r saying and eventually refrain yourself from basing your wannabe 'superiority' on national grounds (or race in that manner). U r just an individual, a minimal fraction of a big system...which obviously has totally brainwashed your character and twisted your sense of individualism. if u want to be something more than u are, u will have to work for that my friend, as every other human being on this planet. Being Greek, English, French, American or whatever nationality does not make u superior whatsoever!
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Posted : Feb 21, 2006 20:45
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euphoria, you really have to stop pretending to be making topics regarding something when u have a clear agenda to only one thing lately.
u made a ridiculous topic about a month ago about palestininans which didnt go your way, then revealead your real issue which was about fyrom/macedonia.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/11520/forum/18/start/75
see my answer in that topic and consider it final.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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