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does more money mean better music or worse?
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Aug 16, 2010 09:20
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well the Mouse on steroids is a RAT
a cat on steroids is a Lion or Tiger
education + economics = steroids of society
these steroids accentuate your emotions
if you do not express your emotions this steroid society labels you sterille or numb or insensitive-
it bombards you with sensations and wants at least one of your sense to be active at any given point of of time.
silence and piece of mind is considered an uneconomic activity- and is often social suicide- solitude is equated with sin..
banishment is equated with torture
while it can be blissful.
you dont need people
people need you
freedom is inside you
not outside
outside are bars and pillars
the cage
inside is the liberation
if you do nothing
and just indulge in intellectual debate with yourself and get immense satisfaction from that , it upsets the social order around you
because you find your own answers
and then society means nothing
its just a commodity
like toilet paper
use it
wipe your ass with it
flush it down the toilet
next day or in the afternoon
do your job again
wipe it flush it
no need to get all emotional about it
Pain is a CONSTANT, Happiness is temporary- seek pain not happieness- torture is good business--F16's and Sukhois oh and i forgot Nuclear
enjoy the pain
Join the Circle of Pain!
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Xolvexs
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something i had writen about while ago
Hope Fear Authority-
Hope is the shadow of fear
It basks in the glory of fear
Hope rescues fear
And makes fear powerful
‬Hope is the rope you will hang on to
To rid your life of fear
Hope will rescue your fear
Fear will give you hope
Hope will hang you dry
While fear will subside
Hope will rise
It will rise and rise
You will try to spread you wings and fly
Then as the sunsets
The shadow of hope will
Take the body of fear
It will clip your wings
just like Jesus you will be nailed
And crusified and everything
Will be justified because you defied
Brought down to your knees
‪And then forced to rise
To continue the cycle of authority
Manifested through horrors of hope
And faith in fear
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totally depends how you wish to toss it or what your intent is, survival111 |
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totally depends how you wish to toss it or what your intent is, survival111  |
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Aluxe
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Except, if you dig deep enough you may come to some very disquieting conclusions about how this world actually works.
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Which is the feeling I get and one of the reasons why I want things to change.
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Aluxe
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having said that , this cute little essay seems to base itself in the assumption that everyone who wants money and the things it can get is evil and warped , stuck in maya and is going to hell , lol |
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All I said is that the system sometimes feels downright evil. And tell me it doesn’t sometimes! Just look at the guys who run things and how much they care about you or anybody else. How many people do they kill for their own interests. These are our leaders? Look at the distribution of wealth, at the misery on this planet and the corporate pyramid of power that controls the the world.
Do you really think this is it for humanity?
And ofcourse we all want a comfortable and beautiful life but it should not be something for just a few. The dream should include everyone. I mean how happy can you be with your wealth knowing that most people on the planet live in poverty, I mean doesn’t that make you feel a bit fake? Sure you can forget about the misery of others and live your own life. Yeah just hang out, learn to love your job and just accept the system and make the best of it and “be human”
But I think that is selling yourself very short. It’s not my dream that’s for sure, and I don’t think its anybodies true dream either. It’s more like the system thinking for you and telling you what you should aspire for and what success is. It’s lame. It lacks balls, it lacks heart! It’s just a given up humanity accepting a prison system. How can you dance to that music? I want to dance to the music that has a message of love and freedom for everyone. Music that can aspire for the dreams we feel in our heart. Not music that has cut its ovaries/balls off and sold its dreams to become yet another puppet of a system that has no heart and no love.
Look people I think that if the system on this planet is not born out of love then that should be enough reason to change things. But we need to change our own perceptions because we are so devalued as a humanity that we have learned to accept living in the gutter. And we can’t imagine anything better for humanity because we have kind of given up and we now associate ourselves with all these bad traits and think they are human traits. Which is bs! We are what we make of ourselves and the world is what we make of it.
It’s like changing yourself. You start by becoming aware of your own thoughts, your destructive thinking patterns and all the negative associations you have about yourself. You realize that it’s all in your mind and that in reality there is nothing limiting you except for your own beliefs about who you are and what you can do or not. Well it’s the same thing with our collective brain. We have to stop associating with a system that is dysfuntional and unfair because if not we wont be able to aspire for anything more. Come on friends, it only takes a little heart and some ovaries/balls to create the world you want.
And lots of people will tell me that I live in some kind of utopian illusion.They will say that as much as I hate this economic system we need it to keep things in control and to keep things from spinning into anarchy. They might add that there are complex economic principles that justify it all and which I do not understand. But you know what, it might be the other way around: maybe its not me living a utopian illusion but them stuck in a gutter vision of this world where they can’t imagine anything better. And as complex as the economics of this system might be all I really need to know is that I don’t care for this crap system because it feels unfair and like a lie to my soul and because I can imagine for the world something better in my heart. I know that I will only follow a vison of love. We have to at least TRY!!! Yeah I wont describe to you the master plan for an alternative system but I know that somebody telling me that we need the current system is simply bullshiting me. I also believe that if we really want we can create the world we want. Wherever there is a will there is a way.
So to end this I will tell you that I don’t want the money system driving the intention of the music I hear. Or the food I eat, health and everything we need on the planet.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Aug 17, 2010 13:09
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the system feeds on itself.
and creates a resovir for itself.
just when you are at that turning point
when you can say oh yes we have a solution
that solution will be consumed, absorbed or outright burnt or destroyed or proved negative.. china has its economics right US is in deep shit..commies are making a comeback, Obama is going socialist- this is not politic this is economics 
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Maine Coon
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china has its economics right US is in deep shit..commies are making a comeback, Obama is going socialist- this is not politic this is economics
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I thought better of you. 
China has not been communist for at least 30 years. And using socialist rhetoric does not make Obama socialist.
Agree on everything else in your post: The Matrix is here to stay.
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Just look at the guys who run things and how much they care about you or anybody else. How many people do they kill for their own interests. These are our leaders?
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No, they are not our leaders. They are merely corporate managers. And whatever they do, it’s mostly not for their own interests either. They still have the Board of Directors to answer to. And Directors rarely show their face on TV.
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It’s like changing yourself. You start by becoming aware of your own thoughts, your destructive thinking patterns and all the negative associations you have about yourself. You realize that it’s all in your mind and that in reality there is nothing limiting you except for your own beliefs about who you are and what you can do or not. Well it’s the same thing with our collective brain.
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Maybe, if you are Ted Turner or Rupert Murdoch. Otherwise, there is a little problem here: you don’t have any control over other people’s brain. In fact, you don’t even have that much control over your own. There is no way any one of us - or even our whole collective - can compete with the corporate media machine.
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And as complex as the economics of this system might be all I really need to know is that I don’t care for this crap system because it feels unfair and like a lie to my soul and because I can imagine for the world something better in my heart. I know that I will only follow a vison of love. We have to at least TRY!!! Yeah I wont describe to you the master plan for an alternative system but I know that somebody telling me that we need the current system is simply bullshiting me. I also believe that if we really want we can create the world we want. Wherever there is a will there is a way.
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Being stuck on the surface of this planet is kinda unfair too. And I do dream of flying instead. In fact, sometimes I dream of the whole world dashing here and there in the air. But it’s just a sad reality: gravitation exists no matter how unfair it may be. And there is absolutely nothing you or I can do about it on the grand scale. What we can do is build balloons and airplanes and set ourselves free in small numbers for some time.
The same thing goes for the society: you can escape The System to some degree, as long as you do it quietly and don’t take too many people with you. To bring it back to the topic at hand: you personally can create your music out of love, you can hang out with other pure souls like yourself, you can form small quiet (or remote) tribes – and this is the (only) way to realize your dream. As soon as your head appears above the radar, you’ll be either eliminated or swiftly integrated into The System. Hence, Pepsi commercials at psy festivals.
What we can do is stay true to ourselves. Make/play music we like. Avoid corporate involvement in our events. And support financially artists we respect. |
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Aug 17, 2010 14:16
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if the matrix is here to stay might as well have pimp ass ride , and an expensive pair of sunglasses slick hayabuza to save ur lame asses out..morpheus cant walk everywhere you know
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 17, 2010 16:37
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Morpheus operates under a mistaken notion that the city of Zion is fundamentally different from the Matrix.
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Posted : Aug 17, 2010 19:51
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But you know, surely life is worth more than gold, right? And that is the bottom line.
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You realize how ironically funny it is to read these two sentences together, don’t you?
Where do you think the term “bottom line” came from? 
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lol , nice 1
@ all .. hey , if you hate the system so much , might as well try making it your bitch , or die trying
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Aluxe
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Posted : Aug 26, 2010 07:36
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Maybe, if you are Ted Turner or Rupert Murdoch. Otherwise, there is a little problem here: you don’t have any control over other people’s brain. In fact, you don’t even have that much control over your own. There is no way any one of us - or even our whole collective - can compete with the corporate media machine.
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Wow, that’s a lie. Maybe something they want us to believe but the truth is that we sustain this system, it is dependant on us, we are the ones that are holding it in place. If enough people wake up to decide they want to change things the system will crumble in a second. The sytem is powerful but only because of the power we give it.
And it all begins within, with each person. The revolution in one person can mean the revolution for the entire world, for the entire cosmos for all you know. Things are more connected than what it seems and the ripple effect is very powerful. And when the time is right the vision of a few good people can spread like wild fire.
But it’s precisely the mentality where one thinks that its impossible to change the system that cripples us and locks us in that system. Its like the people that belive they can not change themselves for the better. They are only right while they remain in that mindset. That’s why I point out that we have to elevate our self esteem, because we are very denigrated and we can’t even imagine the light in the horizon. We are in a totally defeated mode, hoepless to even look for something better for humanity. So we got to start by cleaning that vision of ourselves from the negativity we associate humanity with. Then we will start to see more clearly.
But friends, we can not give up the fight to create a better world. This world was meant to be free! It’s a mantra we have to empower. It’s the power of intention. You accept some responsabilty but it also means you have the choice. Its like the magician that starts to become aware of the power of intention and thought.
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Being stuck on the surface of this planet is kinda unfair too. And I do dream of flying instead. In fact, sometimes I dream of the whole world dashing here and there in the air. But it’s just a sad reality: gravitation exists no matter how unfair it may be. And there is absolutely nothing you or I can do about it on the grand scale. What we can do is build balloons and airplanes and set ourselves free in small numbers for some time.
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Sorry but this is BS. Here you go again reinforcing the idea that it’s impossible to change the system, so much that you equate it with flying like superman. You can do better than that. Hey you have to accept that much of the mess we see in the world today has to do with the choices that not just corporations make but also the choices that each one of us make. Yes we can play the helpless sheep role but that is not going to save us and there isn’t any hope we can put on those in power because it’s all about them. So why wallow in the mud when it’s clear that there is nothing good there left for us? It’s time to evolve friends. Its time to search for a new vision of humanity that is aligned with the heart and dump the old system because we were not meant to be anybodies slaves. Let it go and let a new vision of love bloom. One day we will look back and it will be hard to imagine that we were ever in this state where we felt trapped and unable to change the fear control system. How could this have ever been we will think? Because only love makes sense.
We created our own happiness.. that’s exactly what we did.
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more money means more complications... |
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mk47
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Maybe, if you are Ted Turner or Rupert Murdoch. Otherwise, there is a little problem here: you don’t have any control over other people’s brain. In fact, you don’t even have that much control over your own. There is no way any one of us - or even our whole collective - can compete with the corporate media machine.
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Wow, that’s a lie. Maybe something they want us to believe but the truth is that we sustain this system, it is dependant on us, we are the ones that are holding it in place. If enough people wake up to decide they want to change things the system will crumble in a second. The sytem is powerful but only because of the power we give it.
And it all begins within, with each person. The revolution in one person can mean the revolution for the entire world, for the entire cosmos for all you know. Things are more connected than what it seems and the ripple effect is very powerful. And when the time is right the vision of a few good people can spread like wild fire.
But it’s precisely the mentality where one thinks that its impossible to change the system that cripples us and locks us in that system. Its like the people that belive they can not change themselves for the better. They are only right while they remain in that mindset. That’s why I point out that we have to elevate our self esteem, because we are very denigrated and we can’t even imagine the light in the horizon. We are in a totally defeated mode, hoepless to even look for something better for humanity. So we got to start by cleaning that vision of ourselves from the negativity we associate humanity with. Then we will start to see more clearly.
But friends, we can not give up the fight to create a better world. This world was meant to be free! It’s a mantra we have to empower. It’s the power of intention. You accept some responsabilty but it also means you have the choice. Its like the magician that starts to become aware of the power of intention and thought.
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Being stuck on the surface of this planet is kinda unfair too. And I do dream of flying instead. In fact, sometimes I dream of the whole world dashing here and there in the air. But it’s just a sad reality: gravitation exists no matter how unfair it may be. And there is absolutely nothing you or I can do about it on the grand scale. What we can do is build balloons and airplanes and set ourselves free in small numbers for some time.
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Sorry but this is BS. Here you go again reinforcing the idea that it’s impossible to change the system, so much that you equate it with flying like superman. You can do better than that. Hey you have to accept that much of the mess we see in the world today has to do with the choices that not just corporations make but also the choices that each one of us make. Yes we can play the helpless sheep role but that is not going to save us and there isn’t any hope we can put on those in power because it’s all about them. So why wallow in the mud when it’s clear that there is nothing good there left for us? It’s time to evolve friends. Its time to search for a new vision of humanity that is aligned with the heart and dump the old system because we were not meant to be anybodies slaves. Let it go and let a new vision of love bloom. One day we will look back and it will be hard to imagine that we were ever in this state where we felt trapped and unable to change the fear control system. How could this have ever been we will think? Because only love makes sense.
We created our own happiness.. that’s exactly what we did.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 26, 2010 17:11
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Maybe, if you are Ted Turner or Rupert Murdoch. Otherwise, there is a little problem here: you don’t have any control over other people’s brain. In fact, you don’t even have that much control over your own. There is no way any one of us - or even our whole collective - can compete with the corporate media machine.
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Wow, that’s a lie. Maybe something they want us to believe but the truth is that we sustain this system, it is dependent on us, we are the ones that are holding it in place. If enough people wake up to decide they want to change things the system will crumble in a second. The system is powerful but only because of the power we give it.
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Well, yes and no. Mostly, no.
The society is a system of interacting tribes, or interest groups. The higher a group is in the pyramid, the more organized it is and the more each member has at stake. The lower a group is the more chaotic and disjointed it is and the less each member is affected by what’s going on. Case in point: Americans and sugar. We pay about twice as much as the “fair” world price. It is because of the import quotas that restrict influx of cheap sugar from outside into the US. Why are these quotas in place? Because American sugar producers rake in twice as much money as a result. They are a tight, well organized group with easy access to the government via professional lobbyists. The consumers, on the other hand, don’t even know what’s going on. And even if they did, the difference for each one of them is a few dollars a month – hardly worth staging a nationwide protest. On top of that, there is no Sugar Consumers Association to fight for their interests and hire lobbyists. Now, let’s say an idealist revolutionary like yourself decided to Change™ this situation. You go around and educate people about the issue, organize them, prompt them to cut down (or completely stop) their sugar consumption – because “if enough people wake up to decide they want to change things the system will crumble in a second”. When will the tipping point be reached? I don’t know. The government still has a bit of a buffer here: they can decrease quotas until they ban sugar imports entirely, if necessary. The producers still can live with thinner profit margins. Or they can even operate at a loss for a while. In fact, they can do it indefinitely if they secure government subsidies. You’ll have to convert plenty of people before all these financial cushions are overcome. I’d imagine – at least 1/3 of the population. I dare you to set up an experiment and try to convince 100 Americans to cut down their sugar consumption as a protest against high prices – then tell me how many of them just laughed in your face. My guess is it will be the whole hundred.
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And it all begins within, with each person. The revolution in one person can mean the revolution for the entire world, for the entire cosmos for all you know. Things are more connected than what it seems and the ripple effect is very powerful. And when the time is right the vision of a few good people can spread like wild fire.
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Give me one example when it actually happened without a bloody coup and/or a civil war.
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So why wallow in the mud when it’s clear that there is nothing good there left for us? It’s time to evolve friends. Its time to search for a new vision of humanity that is aligned with the heart and dump the old system because we were not meant to be anybodies slaves. Let it go and let a new vision of love bloom. One day we will look back and it will be hard to imagine that we were ever in this state where we felt trapped and unable to change the fear control system. How could this have ever been we will think? Because only love makes sense.
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I never argued against this. You can dump the system. There are individuals and even whole communes that do that. But it does not eliminate the system. Nor does it substantially reform it. It just unplugs you (often just temporarily) from it. Even if all the trancers in the world move to the Death Valley and live in love and harmony, it will be a funny article on Yahoo at best. Most likely, nobody will even notice. This music (and the community that is centered on it) can change lives. But only one-by-one. Let’s not pretend otherwise.
P.S. I am curious: did anybody find life in Zion more attractive than life in The Matrix? I didn’t. Flying in hovercrafts and zapping steel squids was surely fun. But living in the “Real World” as a civilian completely sucked.
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