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does more money mean better music or worse?
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Aug 10, 2010 22:10:02
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well from the sound
should music really be a business?
i mean when does one draw the line
how much can you manufacture and protect
as an asset or as an intellectual property?
isn't music about flow and keeping the flow
and business just builds a dam restricts that flow and if you keep building dams the flow of music collectively suffers..thus resulting mass degradation of taste- which means you can fart and burp in rhythm scale 4 by 4 beat and call that music and people will buy it because you have build so many dams which allow such sounds to be labelled as music-
so if you were to make a black list of psytrance artists and labels that are indulging in this mass degradation of musical tastes who would be on top of that list
which would be the number 1 DJ responsible for the mass degradation of musical tastes according to you- get em -
well i personally love the musical fart orchestra and think it has done wonders for my ego
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 10, 2010 22:38
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Money only has an effect on music when it is coupled with the intent of the artist.
Being compensated for making music is far different than making music to make money from it. You also can't say that just because someone makes music for money that it's worse. Money is a great motivating factor for a lot of people... http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 10, 2010 23:41
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Xolvexs,
As always, your question has a much broader scope than what is directly asked in it. I agree with you about the dams and the mass degradation of taste. But those things in the music industry are just a part of a much larger scheme. The same question can easily be asked about food, housing or even home stereos. Not to mention election campaigns. Consolidation of resources, elimination of genuine choice and mass regression to the mean (along with steady lowering of the mean itself) seems to be the common theme of everything that’s been happening pretty much since the beginning of the 20th century. It’s not the big bucks that are a culprit here. It’s something else. Or somebody, rather. The famous NRA quote applies pretty much in every area of our lives: “Guns don’t kill people – people kill people”.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 08:36
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well there are two things
1. money has nothing to do with taste
2. taste does not come with money
people are really conservative about money i can understand that. but the strange thing about that is that this tendency of conservatism about saving money has major effect on taste- you end listening to what others perception of good and bad others choice rather building your own taste. hence you are compelled to follow what the mass imposition of values- Dj number 1, or this is the best vol 35. what results is self doubt and self contempt...which i find riddiculous- and then in those bouts of DEPRESSION you find an outlet in form of ART- strange, weird sick or twisted or outright rotten but nonetheless and then someone passes by and looks at it in bewilderment and goes "wow, its amazing, you should do more" and suddenly your bout of Depression is transformed into REVIVAL and Revitalization--weird phenomenon, some strangeness- then you see your first $100 or yen1000 or whatever, and then you are back in the same cycle, and then your ego blows up like a big ballon and its flying..its so funny..happens all the time..even all the spiritual guys who talk about consciousness and stuff get strapped in the cash consciousness..even the babas in the himalayas love the smell money...it puts everyone into trance--i dont know how it does that --like if you really want to see people in trance visit a stock market or a refugee camp where cash is distributed..its trippy
and then go to a trance party where dj banging twisted tracks, and its the same gleam in the eye..and your like huh!
and then when you tell this to people they say they are having fun while those guys in desperate situations are not..weird money..i love it..its the only thing that puts everyone into trance no matter who you are..you will fly if you have money 
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mk47
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 11:42
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money = good , lets you buy the cocaine , after which , most things that made you want to rip your hair off , will have you bobbing your head , groovin to the shite ... yes , iz true bitches >:)
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saintcarl
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 17:24
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On 2010-08-10 23:41, Maine Coon wrote:
Xolvexs,
As always, your question has a much broader scope than what is directly asked in it. I agree with you about the dams and the mass degradation of taste. But those things in the music industry are just a part of a much larger scheme. The same question can easily be asked about food, housing or even home stereos. Not to mention election campaigns. Consolidation of resources, elimination of genuine choice and mass regression to the mean (along with steady lowering of the mean itself) seems to be the common theme of everything that’s been happening pretty much since the beginning of the 20th century. It’s not the big bucks that are a culprit here. It’s something else. Or somebody, rather. The famous NRA quote applies pretty much in every area of our lives: “Guns don’t kill people – people kill people”.
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NRA are stupid cunts because it is pretty dam obvious that guns do kill people. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 18:19
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Yep, and cows cause heart attacks. After all, if it weren't for cows we wouldn't have cheeseburgers.
Who needs a health care reform, just outlaw those blasted cows - problem solved! |
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rich
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 18:42
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^ I don't know how I feel about the NRA, but I do fear for my life every time a gun walks into a saloon with a person in its holster.
How about this quote for the topic of guns and money:
"Does the chair sit on you or do you sit on the chair?"
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saintcarl
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 22:03
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On 2010-08-11 18:19, Maine Coon wrote:
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Yep, and cows cause heart attacks. After all, if it weren't for cows we wouldn't have cheeseburgers.
Who needs a health care reform, just outlaw those blasted cows - problem solved!
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So it is just a coincidence that USA has 5 times the number of gun related deaths than a country like New Zealand that has strict gun laws:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
If someone wants to hurt another person it is way to easy to drive by with guns blazing and more often than not innocents are hurt in the process. Also statistics prove that keeping a gun in your house for "protection" often works out bad.
Each person can decide how much cow they want to eat and eating too much cow will not kill another person. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 22:34
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Well, I am sure US also leads in the number of fatal car accidents. It might have something to do with more people driving. Oh, wait, I am wrong! It’s cars that kill people. And sometimes even innocent bystanders get hit. No to mention that statistics show it’s often faster and safer to get from point A to point B by public transportation. What an outrage, those cars! Outlaw this monstrosity now!!
Look, I don’t want to discuss gun laws here. First of all, most people already formed their opinion on the topic and are not going to change it. Second, even if somebody does change it as a result of my diatribes here – there is absolutely no benefit in it to anybody. Maybe not even to the person who changed his opinion. Third, that would be a purely political discussion (and I haven’t even touched the truly fascinating topic of the Second Amendment’s wording yet  ) – and that’s a big no-no here. And finally – that’s not why I brought it up. I mentioned it just as an illustration. As in “isn’t it about time people assume personal responsibility for their actions and stop blaming inanimate objects – like money or guns – for their problems?”
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Ascension
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Posted : Aug 11, 2010 22:52
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Freymuth
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Posted : Aug 12, 2010 00:54
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I think that the money makes the music worse.
Working only in the matter to obtain money of it doesn´t make you good in what you do.
So in this case if someone makes music in order do obtain money will lead you in other ways then the real beauty and concept of music. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Aug 12, 2010 01:06
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So, is it money that makes sucky music? Or perhaps its money-hungry producers (plus the whole business pyramid above them) that do that?
Money is nothing. It's just a number. Were people to vanish from the face of this planet - exactly how much harm would money (or guns or cars) do by itself? |
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Freymuth
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Posted : Aug 12, 2010 01:24
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Well im not realy into the howl produciong industry. As an artist the work should be done as a self pleasing plesure. You do it because you like it and want to make something beatiful. If on the end efect you can make some cash apart from it, great, that would be very satisfying. But to have the whole pressure of the producers and industry on your back to make a good art work that has a good sound or apreanse sounds a bit disapointing. Of course i only speak as a music entusiast. I cant speak for an producer that how makes his life from music. |
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Elad
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Posted : Aug 12, 2010 02:46
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in small scene like psy money gives the artist more time to make music , and better equipment and even passion sometimes. only when it comes to the last one it create problem... other then that i believe its very positive
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