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woodster77
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Posted : May 6, 2011 22:40:40
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tbh...im having a real hard time
maybe im tripping (placebo)
but its getting really close....
am i alone.....??????
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PoM
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Posted : May 6, 2011 23:28
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imo it dont matter anymore,lot of today electronic music is made with plugins or digital hardware ,it s possible to get as good production it s all about who is using the tools and personal taste, personally i m not after that sound, i don t like modern sound as much as sound of around 70/80 were analog gears were often very colored ...i like the sound of analog compressors analog eqs , tube, transformers saturation ... i m getting cheap gears that were costing 5000/10 000 dollar 20/30 years ago for just a bit more than plugins.. it s night and day for the sound i like but it s just my taste, it s all about taste.. but i m aslo very happy with plugins and often dont even turn on my hardware lol ...
it s getting very close when doing lot of tricks,there is not instant gratification with plugins, it s often about tweaking the shit out of everyhting and tweaking it perfectly that why it all depends the skill of the producer , with hardware it s harder to make it sound bad ... just runing the signal to a good desk with good eq and saturate it a little and voila sound good and i just turned 4 knobs (but there again it s all about taste..i like the sound that touch my heart , it s totaly a personal thing) , i also need hardware for some work.. maybe i wouldn t buy some for making some tunes, or 1 or 2 synths maybe.. |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : May 6, 2011 23:48
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Not really imo, you can recreate anything you want with todays software.
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PoM
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Posted : May 7, 2011 00:07
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analog is not needed also cause no one have access to pultecs style eq, neve style gears with colored transformers sound , 1176 compressors ,api stuff and many more... if everyone had amazing gears we would cry wiht our plugs ,but it s still who is using the tools that make the difference... good setting on a plugin beat the sound of the hardware not properly tweaked. |
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orange
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Posted : May 7, 2011 00:16
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PoM
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Posted : May 7, 2011 00:19
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yes very true , i think today ppl don t care and might like more digital sound, specialy younger generation , it s really about personal taste (but not really sure about all this.. i bet 90% of all ppl favorites sample are analog prcossed with analog gears ,that show analog is still better in many case..but again it s taste lol) |
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PoM
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Posted : May 7, 2011 00:31
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the sentence could be the music sound so crap that you dont need any analog gears or hardware to make some  try to get as good sound as big studio when mixing some rock bands with only digital tools.. only the best might archive it (though they often use lot of plugins but there is still some gears that are hard to replace)
but yes it s overkill for electronic music imo and i guess in the next 5/10 years plugins will have totally replaced hardware |
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orange
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Posted : May 7, 2011 00:39
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i like alot bass and dirtiness in my sound.. but after a few years of playing live and see that i was sounding lower in volume compared to the rest of the artist in the scene... i just fuck it and be loud.
analog gear tend to be very fat.. any track made with analog or very good virtual analog synths doesnt need to be overwhelmed with sounds to be interesting but forces you in a strange way to sound old school and outdated ( wich is good cos you sound full and powerfull ) but lower in volume.. making the new wave sound with analogue gear forces you to cut the hell out of the bass freqs on the sounds you use making them sound sterile and flat.. so no need for analog cos flat and sterile is easely achieved with vsti.
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PoM
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Posted : May 7, 2011 00:43
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yes agree and lot of analog gears make the sound less punchy , not really suited for today sound that have very sharp transients (but i find it not musical personally and tired the ears) |
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PoM
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Posted : May 7, 2011 01:08
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also to not forget the mastering,track made just with plugins then mastered with a little touch of analog processing ,it can give a little extra |
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kotton
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Posted : May 7, 2011 03:51
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On 2011-05-07 00:39, orange wrote:
analog gear tend to be very fat.. any track made with analog or very good virtual analog synths doesnt need to be overwhelmed with sounds to be interesting but forces you in a strange way to sound old school and outdated ( wich is good cos you sound full and powerfull ) but lower in volume.. making the new wave sound with analogue gear forces you to cut the hell out of the bass freqs on the sounds you use making them sound sterile and flat.. so no need for analog cos flat and sterile is easely achieved with vsti.
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Yes, its very hard to make good synthline with analogue gear which goes well together with all your other VST based sounds. I dont like analogue leads, theyre just too heavy for my sound, dont like it for bass (sometimes I use it for subs but I sample it anyway). But for plucked sounds, for certain type of stabs, and especially for weird pitch modulated effects and small rhytms sequences no VST Ive encountered so far can produce that type of presence and even the tinniest soundevents and movements can be heard. Thats why I think analogue gear is not totally obsolete. There is a certain difference in sound and feel and yes, you can recreate the sound with plugins but its not the same.
And I really like to process soft synths with analogue filter or maybe some badass distorsion and sometimes I just put it trough my modular without ant additional effects. It makes sound a bit edgier and sharp. Works really well for certain sounds. |
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PoM
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Posted : May 7, 2011 04:29
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On 2011-05-07 00:39, orange wrote:
i like alot bass and dirtiness in my sound.. but after a few years of playing live and see that i was sounding lower in volume compared to the rest of the artist in the scene... i just fuck it and be loud.
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it s possible to be very loud with a phat lowend , it the way of mixing ,trance they often forget to use one octave of the spectrum ! some techno is even louder with 2 times more low end than many psytrance.some times it s so fucking loud that i wonder how they do it.. but the guys produce since 20 years . |
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Shiranui
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Posted : May 7, 2011 05:23
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It's possible to be loud without being overcompressed, you just need to have a soundsystem with headroom. |
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Posted : May 7, 2011 12:22
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today's listening generation doesnt care what u put inside tracks. Alot of plastic music can be heard today which is boring and sounds so thin it can be annoying for one with very personal taste on analog sound. Even over years of replication i dont think Software can come a wee bit close to Analog sound, Virtuals come close. In a community majorly based on substance use it doesnt matter to them anyway |
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 7, 2011 17:59
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I went from a full hardware studio (only a PC for sequencing and recording audio) to a full software studio (including a Roland MC-909 and a Polar TI which I barely use).
Here's a few pics:
Cambridge studio (not in pics my mate's Juno midi retrofitted Juno 60 and Sh-101:
London studio:
I never had a really good desk, in the Cambridge studio I had the 24 channel Soundcraft Studio 8 buss and in the London studio the 32 channel Mackie 8 buss.
Production wise my tunes sound a lot better now, but this does not have to do with the fact that I use software instead of hardware, I just taught my self a lot more things since my analog days.
Plug ins have gotten very good, in some cases better sounding (reverb-wise, Space Designer sounds better than my old Lexicon MPX-1...not the Eventide Eclipse obviously) and in all cases its infinitely more practical and you can have as many instances as your CPU can handle...which is massive now days.
Even a "poor man's modular" like the Doepfer/Analog Systems will sound better than the software Moog modular, or the semi-modular Zebra when it comes down to analog patches, after all it is analog....but then Zebra can go into a sonic territory that the Doepfer can not go (not even mentioning Reaktor...that's like a whole different universe), just like the Doepfer can when you start getting some more "un-common/exotic modules" but when it comes to the raw lead riffs, analog always sounds better.
Having very phat and dynamic analog synths is not a problem in my book, if anything its a plus. Yes they don't fit the mix as easy as a Virus, but if you consider your self to know the basics about sound engineering, you have the tools to rid the excess bottom end and control the dynamics.
Analog is not less punchy and if anything they have the snappiest envelopes for sharp transients.
Yes soft synths are more sterile/plastic/flat and will make a mixdown an easier task, but I would rather have the option of having punchy sources that can make a mix a lot more interesting with a lot less going on. That's the beauty of analog, it makes you work a certain way....you don't need to cram/layer a lot of things in a mix to make things interesting, you just make enough space to enjoy a single CEM3340 VCO into a resonant WASP high pass filter with the input gain cranked up. If the young generation of producers had the experience of such sounds, they would think differently for sure.
But the problem with analog is that it is very pricey and very impractical....especially for someone that is used to opening Trillian 6 times and have 6 Moog model D patches in their arrangements...and all of them Moog will stay in perfect tune for more than 1 8ve 
I was very big on analog, proper die hard sort, hated plug ins and nothing could replace my analog synths....even if it took me too long to finish a tune, meant that I had to sort out transients for two hours to make a 32 bar arpeggio lead tight, due to my MIDI-PC Interface not being nearly as tight as sample accurate soft synth trigger, waiting 15 minutes for the VCOs to warm up, not having patch memory, one monophonic voice so any stereo synth lines had to be recorded twice...etc.
I could go on for days, but to make it short, software is good enough to make brilliant music, that lacks nothing from analog, it just sounds different.
Analog has its sound, its extremely inspiring to work with, but its expensive and impractical.
Digital hardware synths I would not even bother with...unless is a Nord Lead for that classic HPF FM lead and I would say the DX-7 but you have FM-7 now days which is a breeze to program, for the rest software is just as good and even better in a lot of cases.
Peace out.
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