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Doctor Spook and bad/no payment !?!?
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Jul 2, 2007 01:23
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If you would rather it all end and I give up Geomagnetic so you are all satisfied that the music industry doesn’t work then keep throwing rocks you guys... great work!!!
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As a last thing I’d like to add indeed that throwing rocks helps nobody, so to all artists and people that do get money from Spook, it’s no use getting ugly indeed, it will only get in your way and if I’d be Spook myself I’d be a hell lot less interested and motivated to pay you all your money. Patience and politeness do work the best in the end, something I’m learning myself as well and in this matter I think we could all learn something from Spook his diplomacy. That doesn’t take away the fact that your business stinks though Spook. I personally still expect OFFICIAL numbers on the compilation sales from you and trust me, I will get them one way or another, but preferably peaceful and with your corporation, but if not then I’ll be forced to try less nice ways and to go behind your back. The fact that Lawrence Paradigm was the man who invested most (not all like you stated here, ‘cause he left me with 2 open bills before he got his ass fired) of the money, doesn’t mean that YOU can just run and hide and that you don’t have any responsibility to pay to me as a label-manager, after all I have to show the tax-company in Venezuela and Holland what I’m doing and I can’t do nothing at all with the lousy little home-fabricated notepad that you sent me. I’d make a fool out of myself when I’d show that to my accountant and to the tax company here and you know it ! So do us both a favor, come clean dude. I’m not the worst person in the world, I do have issues when people are not being straight to me, that tends to turn me rather ugly and full of poison but I’m working on that…and hard ! I’m willing to sort stuff with you anytime, but ONLY in ways that are satisfying 4 us both, not in ways where you run & hide and where I can just guess what’s happening. Ok, so much for now on this topic. I honestly hope that all of this sets you straight, makes you think and helps you grow, ‘cause I still do remember our meeting in SF, your hospitality and good vibes and it makes me sad somehow to see how many of us end up in fights over money and other silly stuff….while we should actually all support each other and back each other up. I wish you well from here in Holland and if you wish to communicate with me…then you know where to find me. Take care….over and out ! 
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Shawnodese
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Posted : Jul 2, 2007 02:18
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On 2007-06-30 01:52, neuromantik wrote:
We live in the era of myspace, you no longer need to give quality masters to promote yourselves.
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 You sure made my day with that statement mate
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minus
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Posted : Jul 2, 2007 13:59
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all this makes the psytrance music industry ppl look so amature and childish , grow up!
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ENERGYLOOP
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Posted : Jul 3, 2007 02:54
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On 2007-07-02 13:59, minus wrote:
all this makes the psytrance music industry ppl look so amature and childish , grow up!
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dude not all the scean... only part's of it
and it make's the scean smaller and smaller
"fuck money..."
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Terranoise(Max)
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Posted : Jul 3, 2007 14:03
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Clone604
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Geomagnetic.tv wrote:
"geocd015 - Psychic Chakra - settled w/Imix, Virtual Light, Delysid/Wicked Wires/brainhunter, twisted, mechanix, ovnimoon, clone,Tryptmind, shapestatic"
um.. Spook, i was going to come on here and defend you, but you haven't exactly settled up with me for this release either. I know that you sent me 22 CD's (on top of the 8 promised in the contract) to do with as i saw fit, but there was absolutely no discussion about that being my payment in place of the rest of the cash that was owed me.. from almost a year ago now. You said that you were sending out that music as a good-will offering... not in payment for the track licensing, so i'm a little confused here..
You also have in our contracts that i will receive promotional video synched with my tracks, and i haven't heard anything about that since signing them.
So in essence you are not being forthright with me, or anyone else here, how many other artists are on that list that are not really settled? I'm very reluctant to continue business with you if you are not going to be upfront with me, I know that you are trying to make sure everyone gets their dues, i'm one of the few people who has a chance to talk to you on a semi regular basis. I feel that your heart is in the right place, you have just gotten way ahead of yourself making far too many releases in too short a time.
imo, you should stop making any releases and promote the shit out of the ones you have now, and get everyone paid up. also get your artists some bookings, because if you seek out bookings for your artists, they may think better of you for it since they can gain some sort of returns from that.. I realize that self promotion is a necessity, but one would imagine that the person running the label would be more pro-active in getting their signed artists gigs. I'm sure there are a lot of Geo artists that are not thinkinging that you are "promoting the heck out of our music" as you say. I'm not angry, and i'm not trying to smear you here, just addressing the need for honesty, they don't call it the best policy for nothing.
Someone was giving some of us artists shit for bitching about money, but it's not about money, it's about doing business with integrity, and honesty, and trust.. once there is no trust, there is no business after a while. Always honour your agreements, and use proper communication to manage your business.
In the end this music is about evolution and love and spirituality, but unfortunately those things don't pay the bills or put food on the table 
Cheers.
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RenLab
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Posted : Jul 12, 2007 00:34
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Hello.
I cant talk about geomagnetic, but i can assure you all that this situation has happened to me in other 2 labels. Im not going to say now wich ones are cause i dont want to hurt anyone (yet) . Trust me, on the day that my patience runs out, there will be some sad revelations on this forum and many others.
My advice to artists is : dont make things based on "good vibes". Good vibes exist until the point money and your work is involved. We have portuguese saying (maybe its worlwide) that says: "friends friends, money aside" .
Of course if u have good references about a label, and know they are serious we can have that good vibe, but anyway, releasing tracks its also business, not just fun. There are some ppl that need to understand this. Making a track takes a long time, and its not an easy process.
Its good that ppl talk about this in the forums, so that everyone can see the mafia we are surrounded of. We need to clean this scene the most we can.
For finishing: stay tuned for further revelations, this mafia is going DOWN !!!
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Crying Orc Project
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Posted : Jul 21, 2007 16:33
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On 2007-06-20 06:26, PsyberTribe Records wrote:
I have some people to pay,sure. but there are many artists who have been paid from the compilations that have come out and who are happy to be working with me as well. People can talk,sure. All I can do is stay true to me and my intentions. I intend to pay everything off and i have been bit by bit. I am one person doing most of the work and no investors to support. All from my pocket. I cannot get into again about the whole ZMA deal and being ripped off. It happened. curve balls get thrown. It's all growth.That's really all I have to say. Sorry for the delays artists but I have not been ingorning anyone and all of you are caught up to date with whats going on. The label is not my life, but a true passion, and i intend on giving credit and praise when it is due and I NEVER FORGET THOSE WHO HELP AND SUPPORT ME IN LIFE!!! Things will work themselves out. I know this for myself. Continue to speak your minds, It will help you work through this. I hope if you dont understand all of what I'm saying, I hope you understand some of it. Love to you all and enjoy the sun!!
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well nick, the '' Digital Shaman '' compilation got releasd in fucking 2006 !!
i still havent got my compilation copy, and still havent got my money.
i belive u had 2 years to pay me for this track,
how long do i need to wait to get the compilation copy and my money ???
i'm sorry but that's most defentlly UNPROFESSIONAL !
so dont say u doing all that u can !!!
when i'm asking u about it, u allways giving me new dates and it's never work.
Anyways, if u cant run your label right, dont run it at all man !
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faxinadu
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 13:14
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On 2007-07-12 00:34, RenLab wrote:
My advice to artists is : dont make things based on "good vibes". Good vibes exist until the point money and your work is involved. We have portuguese saying (maybe its worlwide) that says: "friends friends, money aside" .
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Exactly!
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plexon
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Posted : Jul 22, 2007 18:23
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who gives a flyng fu!@#$%^ about this spook we all know that he will close soon just like mr saffi connection so ppl dont get all ecxited about him his no one just dont sell him money its like puting it in walmart and never get the money hehheheh spook you toke san francisco and made a realy bad name to it you take new comers kids fuck them up for good with trust issues fuck you for that i hope that your purple hat will burn in psy hell 
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Mind Funk
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Posted : Jul 23, 2007 16:12
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To Plexon.....point taken by try to stay nice and civilized dude....show the proper example and don't always use other people's fuck ups to justify your own like many people do here (including me in the past). Let's at least show the proper example cause otherwise we can't eve expect better from anybody around us either. I'm sure Spook got the msg by now but calling names and wishing people like him bad things is the opposite of what they need in fact....
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Stregone
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Posted : Jul 26, 2007 16:53
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On 2007-07-02 13:59, minus wrote:
all this makes the psytrance music industry ppl look so amature and childish , grow up!
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That's funny....people looks so amateur, because there is no trance industry.... it is 99% amateur....
There are people thinking or trying to do it professional, but at the end, psytrance is not an industry, is a movement managed and going on with people loving the music.... is an amatorial world....
I understand people who invest in their studios doing their music and trying to improve, but as many others are doing it is hard to sort out of all that mass
Don't think it is easy to come to the end of the month just with your music, then forget to have a medium high standard of life with it....
Anyway I read all those posts, quite interesting, I was always very curious about all those releases by Geomagnetic, and now I better understand how it was possible...
Probably, from my point of view, mister spook is not really a thief in his intention, he just tryed to manage the label, without the necessary knowledge and competence, and it is finished with a lots of cd's that had more costs than incomes.... results, many the artists werent payed...
Anyway even if Spook's way of managing his label is not ethically correct or good, all artists have MAIN responsability in sending away WAV files, to newcomers labels, to little labels, etc...without prepayement
This is fucking up the scene..... downloading is for sure not helping the scene.... The will to become known of many newscomer's or quite newcomers artists, made them selling out tracks without being payed...
Many new labels, MANY, were created the last years, and what I can say is for sure that not even the half of the releases were high quality, often one or two good tracks and the rests not good or not good at all....
So what goes on? If you have just few releases or labels doing it in the right way, people buy those releases if they know how to do the difference, but others doesn't, so you have bad labels selling bad music in few copys, so they don't get through the costs and so they don't pay artists...
You have other good labels who sell less already because of downloading and less because of all those new labels...
And you have many who listen to bad quality music and say : "hey I can do it too", so they give out their music for few money or with promises of payement which will never arrive....
All this is a fucking circle.... our scene is small if we don't do something is gonna be even more fucked than how it is already....
About the kiddish of peoples... I think there aren't many people which are really adult in this world and consciouss...
Without any reference to artists who were in geomagnetic release, there were good as bad, this was a general discussion.
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jul 26, 2007 17:32
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On 2007-07-23 16:12, Mind Funk wrote:
To Plexon.....point taken by try to stay nice and civilized dude....show the proper example and don't always use other people's fuck ups to justify your own like many people do here (including me in the past). Let's at least show the proper example cause otherwise we can't eve expect better from anybody around us either. I'm sure Spook got the msg by now but calling names and wishing people like him bad things is the opposite of what they need in fact....
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ENERGYLOOP
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Posted : Jul 27, 2007 09:34
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On 2007-07-26 16:53, Stregone wrote:
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On 2007-07-02 13:59, minus wrote:
all this makes the psytrance music industry ppl look so amature and childish , grow up!
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That's funny....people looks so amateur, because there is no trance industry.... it is 99% amateur....
There are people thinking or trying to do it professional, but at the end, psytrance is not an industry, is a movement managed and going on with people loving the music.... is an amatorial world....
I understand people who invest in their studios doing their music and trying to improve, but as many others are doing it is hard to sort out of all that mass
Don't think it is easy to come to the end of the month just with your music, then forget to have a medium high standard of life with it....
Anyway I read all those posts, quite interesting, I was always very curious about all those releases by Geomagnetic, and now I better understand how it was possible...
Probably, from my point of view, mister spook is not really a thief in his intention, he just tryed to manage the label, without the necessary knowledge and competence, and it is finished with a lots of cd's that had more costs than incomes.... results, many the artists werent payed...
Anyway even if Spook's way of managing his label is not ethically correct or good, all artists have MAIN responsability in sending away WAV files, to newcomers labels, to little labels, etc...without prepayement
This is fucking up the scene..... downloading is for sure not helping the scene.... The will to become known of many newscomer's or quite newcomers artists, made them selling out tracks without being payed...
Many new labels, MANY, were created the last years, and what I can say is for sure that not even the half of the releases were high quality, often one or two good tracks and the rests not good or not good at all....
So what goes on? If you have just few releases or labels doing it in the right way, people buy those releases if they know how to do the difference, but others doesn't, so you have bad labels selling bad music in few copys, so they don't get through the costs and so they don't pay artists...
You have other good labels who sell less already because of downloading and less because of all those new labels...
And you have many who listen to bad quality music and say : "hey I can do it too", so they give out their music for few money or with promises of payement which will never arrive....
All this is a fucking circle.... our scene is small if we don't do something is gonna be even more fucked than how it is already....
About the kiddish of peoples... I think there aren't many people which are really adult in this world and consciouss...
Without any reference to artists who were in geomagnetic release, there were good as bad, this was a general discussion.
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one major problem whit our "music" world is that the company's that print the CD's for the label do not requaire to see or get a copy of a signd contract... the same goes whit the "distribures" or any one else that sells\print the CD's such as internet shops and normal shops of selling CD's
this "loop-hole" is well use'd by spook.
is there a way to change that ?
"fuck money..."
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Mad Purple State
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Posted : Jul 27, 2007 16:49
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wow... i read every line off the entire article... and i aint even an artist ... record label owner or a producer ... just an absolute lover of psy music...
Now anyone whos thinkin of tellin me to stay the hell outta this then... I'm Gonna tell them to take a hike.. cause if you've put it up on the forum ... then everyones gotta a right to put in their thoughts...
To start with ... I'll say a lot of people have written a lot of sensible stuff here...
Forget the ppl who've tried to crack a joke on this issue... cause not personally about geomagnetic... but the issue here is quite serious bout the trance scene and it shouldnt be taken with a laugh...
Someone on this post mentioned bout the Mp3 stealing issue... and I dont understand why people dont take that as one of the major issues this scene isnt surviving that well. I myself (not proud at all) have a collection of a hell lotta mp3 albums... Personal reasons... Never had a job ... or a credit card... so didnt have the money or the resources to order a couple of albums a month... though every album that was released in our music stores back in India .. i purchased... and thas only the infected mushroom albums. Also every person around me only got mp3 music! Some might argue that every genre of music is on the net and still they survive... well they have the back up of multi mill record labels to promote their sales... and a million and more fans to attend their worldwide tour. Though i recently just started my original cd collection and i got bout 150 ... so i can talk now...
My point was that CDs need to fuckin sell. and they wont if there are mp3's in our scene...
To me after reading all this, there are some smart ppl who have posted unbaised posts just saying that Dr. Spook is not too bad a guy... And i somehow beilive that... This dude really seems like a good guy... His intentions seem absolutely pure... He is willing to go outta his way to give his best for the scene.
Only it seems like hez got shit luck.And If its true that on the recommendation of shawnodese he did a deal with some guy and got ripped off for it, shawnodese shouldnt find an excuse for it saying he took that guy like a brother and didnt expect getting conned. Dude if its true accept your mistake on this forum!
@ Dr.Spook - Dude however nice a guy you mite be as a person, you really did FUCK up! and wat worse is ... even though this topic mite be pissing you off... come clear! Atleast dont lie again on the forum and tell people you have paid them off when you havent! Dont include alternatives as payment. The ones you have paid in cash are the only ones you have paid off. Accept it say sorry .. which you already have... say it once more if you have to and get working! Ofcourse you have lied... and i absolutely agree with that... you have promised every artist in this forum a free video with their music! How in the f world are you gonna make 200 videos in a year manage a record label promote artists outsourse your own talent and try and be a dj...! Dont continue lying is all i can say. Just come clean.
Money is fucking important in this world. Atleast in the society we live in. So i absolutely agree artists should be paid! I'd be mad if i didnt get paid. But then its not only the record companies fault. Its the fault of the scene. Theres no money in it and also a lot of bad music and artists a very imp factor.
All i can say is dont humiliate the dude... Things just backfired when he tried to do too much, and Im sure this topic was the last thing he wanted for himself... hez just waiting for one thing in his life to pick up... and all of you'll get paid well.
but ofcourse it better be soon... or he should stop releasing for a year and get a job...
Spook you should seriously do that - If you want people to stop running behind you for their rightful money... get a job and start running behind elton john! Dont sit and wait... instigate!
You'll never go beyond break even by selling cds...
Im gonna go now... But I wish everyone all the best. And stay together! Hope things work out!
Btw Chromatone I love your music man! =)
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