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¿Do you want minimal in the psytrance main floors?
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syntesis
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 16:12
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When you are booked for a live it would be quite unprofessional playing something else than what you were booked for.
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Maybe this is the main problem in this matter, the dj´s try to be dj´s instead to be part of the "community vibes". Why to be professional is more important than the dancers??!! Came on, give the money back to the organizers and loose your dj job, but please, think in the dancers, are the most important element in the parties, more than the dj´s, more than the decoration, the mood of the dancers is the essence of the parties. Minimal after zen mechanics??!!! from 140 bpm to 130 (without transition tracks) at 12.00 in the morning?!! This happend the second day in boom, this dj had to think in the people, YOU CAN´T DO THAT, DOESN´T MATTER YOUR CONTRACT!!! we are persons, not computers... |
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 17:26
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It depends what kind of minimal are we talking about... Zenon - yes please. The kind of minimal that Son Kite and Emok played this year at Boom - no thank you.
Son Kite were a big dissapointment for me. You could see a large number of people leaving the main stage during their live, clearly stating what they thought about their latest stuff...
And this argument: "Oh todays minimal music is so much more psychedelic than trance, we should play it everywhere" is quite stupid. Taking that discours we should be asking for psychedelic rock at psytrance parties. Or why isn`t anybody asking for psybrakes?
I do agree that there should be an alternative floor playing other types of music. Diversity is a good thing, especially in the days where psytrance is clearly lacking in inovative and interesting music (there are always exceptions to be honest).
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 19:29
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The point is that THE ORGANIZERS need to make up their minds what scene they want to be part of. It's absolutely wrong to genre classify a Festival or party as psytrance if the Main-stage do not play psytrance.
The problem these Organizers face is that if they genre classify their Festivals according to what's actually played they wont attract an audience since most of the artists and djs are almost not known outside the psytrance circuit.
But it's false marketing to genre classify a Fesitval wrong!
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 23:15
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We may ask..
Who is responsible of this happening?
a) The psy producers and their lack of creativity?
b) The public who has grown bored of psy?
c) The NWO?
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goaren
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Posted : Oct 6, 2010 23:28
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a) psy producers ? why would they be the ones to blame ? they want to create that kind of music - so be it - its our (as a crowd) preference if to listen/dance to this music or not.
b) crowd got bored of psy? i duno what parties you go to but the ones i go to are far from boring - as long as they keep it PSY (and like syntesis wrote on his back @ boom - to many people - minimal is NOT psy).
c) what NWO are you talking about? it was boom festival's organizers choice to build that kind of lineup, and they saw and felt the consequences and actually put out a letter of apology...
bottom line here is (imo) - choose your parties carefully, if you call a trance festival a trance festival then make sure that the majority of the music on the mainstage is TRANCE in this way or another (be it acoustic/organic, goa, progessive, fullon, dark, and even minimal TRANCE as opposed to minimal techno) - if you want to fuse in other genres its a great idea - but it should be a part of the main concept which is trance, and build your lineup accordingly.
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 16:00
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When you are booked for a live it would be quite unprofessional playing something else than what you were booked for.
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Maybe this is the main problem in this matter, the dj´s try to be dj´s instead to be part of the "community vibes". Why to be professional is more important than the dancers??!! Came on, give the money back to the organizers and loose your dj job, but please, think in the dancers, are the most important element in the parties, more than the dj´s, more than the decoration, the mood of the dancers is the essence of the parties. Minimal after zen mechanics??!!! from 140 bpm to 130 (without transition tracks) at 12.00 in the morning?!! This happend the second day in boom, this dj had to think in the people, YOU CAN´T DO THAT, DOESN´T MATTER YOUR CONTRACT!!! we are persons, not computers...
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Then book someone who carries music over 140bpm in the case. I had a gig once where the dj before me ended in 147 bpm, the highest bpm available in our live was 134 and lowest 126. How am I supposed to make that a nice transition..
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 16:02
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When you are booked for a live it would be quite unprofessional playing something else than what you were booked for.
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Maybe this is the main problem in this matter, the dj´s try to be dj´s instead to be part of the "community vibes". Why to be professional is more important than the dancers??!! Came on, give the money back to the organizers and loose your dj job, but please, think in the dancers, are the most important element in the parties, more than the dj´s, more than the decoration, the mood of the dancers is the essence of the parties. Minimal after zen mechanics??!!! from 140 bpm to 130 (without transition tracks) at 12.00 in the morning?!! This happend the second day in boom, this dj had to think in the people, YOU CAN´T DO THAT, DOESN´T MATTER YOUR CONTRACT!!! we are persons, not computers...
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Then book someone who carries music over 140bpm in the case. I had a gig once where the dj before me ended in 147 bpm, the highest bpm available in our live was 134 and lowest 126. How am I supposed to make that a nice transition..
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A: maybe giving a suitable slot would help?
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 16:03
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It's not up to me when and where I play. But yes it would!
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 16:52
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When you are booked for a live it would be quite unprofessional playing something else than what you were booked for.
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Maybe this is the main problem in this matter, the dj´s try to be dj´s instead to be part of the "community vibes". Why to be professional is more important than the dancers??!! Came on, give the money back to the organizers and loose your dj job, but please, think in the dancers, are the most important element in the parties, more than the dj´s, more than the decoration, the mood of the dancers is the essence of the parties. Minimal after zen mechanics??!!! from 140 bpm to 130 (without transition tracks) at 12.00 in the morning?!! This happend the second day in boom, this dj had to think in the people, YOU CAN´T DO THAT, DOESN´T MATTER YOUR CONTRACT!!! we are persons, not computers...
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Then book someone who carries music over 140bpm in the case. I had a gig once where the dj before me ended in 147 bpm, the highest bpm available in our live was 134 and lowest 126. How am I supposed to make that a nice transition..
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that's kinda hard, why not make a few faster tracks just in case? |
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pr0fane
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 17:04
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When you are booked for a live it would be quite unprofessional playing something else than what you were booked for.
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Maybe this is the main problem in this matter, the dj´s try to be dj´s instead to be part of the "community vibes". Why to be professional is more important than the dancers??!! Came on, give the money back to the organizers and loose your dj job, but please, think in the dancers, are the most important element in the parties, more than the dj´s, more than the decoration, the mood of the dancers is the essence of the parties. Minimal after zen mechanics??!!! from 140 bpm to 130 (without transition tracks) at 12.00 in the morning?!! This happend the second day in boom, this dj had to think in the people, YOU CAN´T DO THAT, DOESN´T MATTER YOUR CONTRACT!!! we are persons, not computers...
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Then book someone who carries music over 140bpm in the case. I had a gig once where the dj before me ended in 147 bpm, the highest bpm available in our live was 134 and lowest 126. How am I supposed to make that a nice transition..
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that's kinda hard, why not make a few faster tracks just in case?
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Why make faster music if you don't like it, or if you think you're better at making slower music?
Liveacts can't be expected to completely change their liveact in the last minute, and I think it's up to the organizers to make a cohesive lineup. Stay informed about what the style current style(s) is of the liveacts (and DJ's) they book.
Of course a good DJ with a broad taste can make a good, interesting transition, but unfortunately I see a lot of DJ's being more and more narrow-minded in their repertoire of music. DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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syntesis
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Then book someone who carries music over 140bpm in the case. I had a gig once where the dj before me ended in 147 bpm, the highest bpm available in our live was 134 and lowest 126. How am I supposed to make that a nice transition..
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that´s true, the problem is of the organizers who think just in money trying to pick up as much people they can, mixing styles with nonsense, and if I said that this dj with 10 bpm less (or even more like your case) and totally diferent style has to think in the dancers maybe I´m being too much dreamer... I don´t know man... may be asking for a couple of cd´s for this transitions tracks? but then maybe you have to play music wich is not your liking... buff... I would like these things don´t happen again, there is people in psychedelic trips who the organizers have to care... |
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 17:30
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Liveacts can't be expected to completely change their liveact in the last minute, and I think it's up to the organizers to make a cohesive lineup. Stay informed about what the style current style(s) is of the liveacts (and DJ's) they book.
Of course a good DJ with a broad taste can make a good, interesting transition, but unfortunately I see a lot of DJ's being more and more narrow-minded in their repertoire of music.
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Exactly!
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Oct 7, 2010 17:37
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Why would I change my entire view on producing to fit in a line-up that wasn't very well planned in the beginning. Organizers should tend to creating a well rounded line up instead.
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