| Author
|
Do you REALLY Like Dark-Psy?
|
Saylum
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
73
Posts :
678
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 18:17
|
I wont even get into your little arugment, and Ill just answer his question heh...
Yes, I do like dark music, but depends how dark and the certain style of the artist.. Azax Syndrom, Abomination, Penta, Fungus Funk for example I like alot, about Kindzaza I dont like the style so much even though it is dark... It all depends on the style of the artist..
By the way, I dont think that its such a good idea open this kind of issue to an argument, since no-one should play god (no offence ofcourse), and I assume that with time everyone will listen only to the stuff he likes, and thats it.. No need to explain people what they realy think, unless youre the Official Scene Psycholigist :x
Umm, I also think that it was a nice idea of you to try "helping" people, if you concider it as help, but again, in my opinion its useless...
  Peace & Love!
´·´*¨ ¯ ¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯ ¯ ¯¯
¸.·´* "Love.. Patiance.. Understanding.." / Trust In Trance" |
|
|
|
HandA
Inactive User
Started Topics :
9
Posts :
890
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 18:45
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 18:17, Saylum wrote:
By the way, I dont think that its such a good idea open this kind of issue to an argument, since no-one should play god (no offence ofcourse), and I assume that with time everyone will listen only to the stuff he likes, and thats it.. No need to explain people what they realy think, unless youre the Official Scene Psycholigist :x
|
|
I think people have a right to express what they think witout having to be told that it's a bad idea that they say what they think. This forum is a Kindergarden where some people have a very hard time understanding the concept of people being allowed to say what they think without having to see page up and page down of insults, twist of subject and Kindergarden mentality. Some people miss the ability to debate in a polite manner and only know how to twist the intention of posts to their own liking and agenda.
This is not an attack on you saylum. Just a general observation.
Now start the flaming. |
|
|
|
DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
70
Posts :
2299
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 20:47
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 18:45, HandA wrote:
This forum is a Kindergarden
|
|
ok grandpa.
i think the rules of discussion can be suspended when someone starts a brilliant and well thought out, inoffensive thread like this one.
the funny thing is, most people here who like dark psy are rather intelligent and can explain what they like about it. dark stuff isn't that easy to like - you grow into it as you evolve further in the realm of psychedelic music.
the real young kids who are more likely to like something because it's 'cool' are more likely to be into real popular and simple stuff. and yes, there's probably some sort of 'punk' element to the dark psy - as the majority of the music lacks in quality and gets taken over by people who are only in it for the 'cool' or the money, the real psy heads migrate to the stuff that's not so easy to understand but is a lot more psychedelic.
..it's just another party.. |
|
|
|
Pavel
Troll
Started Topics :
313
Posts :
8649
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 20:56
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 20:47, DiMiTry wrote:
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 18:45, HandA wrote:
This forum is a Kindergarden
|
|
ok grandpa.
i think the rules of discussion can be suspended when someone starts an idiotic thread like this one.
|
|
No, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Please behave. The author of the thread was kind and polite. You can be the same.
Everyone in the world is doing something without me |
|
|
|
DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
70
Posts :
2299
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 21:00
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 20:56, Pavel wrote:
No, there are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Please behave. The author of the thread was kind and polite. You can be the same.
|
|
ok ok. see above. 
..it's just another party.. |
|
|
|
exotic
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
200
Posts :
5057
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 21:10
|
pavel man you take the cake 
missing plug-in |
|
|
|
Pavel
Troll
Started Topics :
313
Posts :
8649
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 23:20
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 21:10, =((exotic>>>=== wrote:
pavel man you take the cake
|
|
Thanx, but i'm on diet 
Everyone in the world is doing something without me |
|
|
|
----Dawn----
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
19
Posts :
789
Posted : Jul 10, 2005 23:33
|
Cheers, Pavel. As i've said a few times - the point of this wasn't to upset anyone.
A few quick replies:
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 08:33, DiMiTry wrote:
on a more serious note, 'dark' psy is not really 'cool' music. kinda like saying that people like IDM because it's 'cool' - after all it's just weird bleeps and screeches, so why would anyone like it?
|
|
If you read the post you will see that i never called (Lo-Fi) IDM 'cool' and the fact that it's (as you put it) 'just weird bleeps and screeches' was the whole point of that part of the argument - only, unlike you, i didn't pass judgement. The point was, like ‘dark-psy’ some people genuinely do like it (and this thread ISN'T about them) but others may just pretend to like it because they want people to think 'it's just bleeps and screeches to me but this guy likes it! - maybe he's smarter than me and i'm just too dumb to see what's so good about it'.
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 08:33, DiMiTry wrote:
I think there are a LOT more people who 'like' boring cliche full-on because it's 'cool'. Really find it hard to believe that so many people can actually like it because most of it is just plain bad and cheesy music. 
|
|
Yep, all those people saying 'I'm gonna pretend to like this cheesy Hypersonic album - it even has a naked man on the cover - thats bound to impress all my ‘evil’ mates!'
Btw, did you hear me say 'Really find it hard to believe that so many people can actually like 'dark-psy' because most of it is just plain bad and not really music'. Wink or not, who is the one 'shit-stirring'?
You don’t like full-on and i do. I don’t like ‘dark-psy’ and you do. Bottom line: Who gives a shit what either of us think. It’s just two people’s opinions - neither is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’.
--------
@=((exotic>>>===
Just because you personally consider yourself too smart to conform to others doesn't really add much to your argument. There are people - especially younger people - who DO conform for one reason or another and the opinion that you personally don't, said in an exaggerated and sarcastic manner, doesn't really prove anything - other than you only see things from your point of view.
I'm not saying conforming is bad - in fact it can make life a lot easier in some situations, but people DO look back and regret it as they get older - and do indeed think 'Jesus, wasn’t i a dick!... for not having the guts to stand up and say what i really thought'. How is making that point 'playing god'?
--------
@'Evil Fucker'
Thanks for the empirical evidence!
--------
Well, that’s my patronising rant over for today
Peace.
Am i the only one who believes in solipsism? |
|
|
|
DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
70
Posts :
2299
Posted : Jul 11, 2005 00:18
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 23:33, ----Dawn---- wrote:
You don’t like full-on and i do. I don’t like ‘dark-psy’ and you do. Bottom line: Who gives a shit what either of us think. It’s just two people’s opinions - neither is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’. |
|
You're wrong - I really enjoy good full-on. I also like dark-psy. I also listen to tech-trance and progressive, and IDM, and dub and whatever else I hear that's GOOD PSYCHEDELIC MUSIC. I mix styles like nobody else.  Try not to put labels on it at all, actually.
One thing I try not to do is be condescending towards people who listen to a genre I don't understand. I've passed judgements on genres before - "how can anyone like country music" "how can anyone like that crazy modern jazz" or "how can anyone like RnB, it must be all because of marketing etc" - and been humbled by people who 'really' know and understand and love those genres. And yes, there are a lot of people who just like music because it's simple and easy to like (i.e. simple FULL-ON or Britney Spears) or because it's cool, but I tend not to think about that much - it's very childish anyway, most people like that are young kids. To assume that most people who listen to a particular genre that YOU don't understand like it because it's cool is extremely narrow-minded and shows a certain immaturity in musical knowledge, if not life in general.
my 2 cents
..it's just another party.. |
|
|
|
DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
70
Posts :
2299
Posted : Jul 11, 2005 00:29
|
btw, if I understand correctly, you're saying that 'dark' psy is a lot cooler than full-on? analogy would be punk vs. pop?
..it's just another party.. |
|
|
|
Saylum
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
73
Posts :
678
Posted : Jul 11, 2005 01:40
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 18:45, HandA wrote:
...
This is not an attack on you saylum. Just a general observation.
...
Now start the flaming.
|
|
Hey man, no offence taken, and I appriciate your honesty... I never said Im against it or anything, and I did expressed what I think about dark psy (rocks!), but I think that its also allowed to say my opinion about a topic that I reply in...
About this issue, I think that youre absoloutly right, but sometimes, people open a topic, and in the post they sometimes use "intensive" words (not in this one though!), and then I think that someone should reply, not offensive though, but just to comment it, so the person would notice it for the next time... I belive that you understand my point, if you arent, I wont mind extending on it..
Peace & Love!
´·´*¨ ¯ ¯¯¯¯ ¯¯¯ ¯¯¯¯¯ ¯ ¯¯
¸.·´* "Love.. Patiance.. Understanding.." / Trust In Trance" |
|
|
|
*Karma Cola*
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
113
Posts :
2314
Posted : Jul 11, 2005 02:05
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 04:18, *Karma Cola* wrote:
As u mentioned it all boils down to taste.
maybe ppl can understand a pattern behind the music i dont fancy
|
|
~*** You can tell By the way i use my walk, Im a woman's man, No time to Talk***~ |
|
|
|
----Dawn----
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
19
Posts :
789
Posted : Jul 11, 2005 07:01
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 08:33, DiMiTry wrote:
I think there are a LOT more people who 'like' boring cliche full-on because it's 'cool'. Really find it hard to believe that so many people can actually like it because most of it is just plain bad and cheesy music.
|
|
No offence mate, ( well maybe a little ) but if you enjoy full-on then why did you make such a misleading blanket statement like this one other than to be disrespectful and stir up trouble? What was that you said about immaturity again?
I only used the 'i like/you don't like' generalization to make the point that our personal tastes are just that... and not a great argument in a thread about conformity or whatever the hell it was about when i started it. I like a huge variety of music (if i think it's good i don't care what genre it is) and to be honest, there are some tracks which might be called 'dark-psy' that i actually like - one that comes to mind is Dark Nebula's ‘Magical Energy’.
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-11 00:18, DiMiTry wrote:
To assume that most people who listen to a particular genre that YOU don't understand like it because it's cool is extremely narrow-minded and shows a certain immaturity in musical knowledge, if not life in general.
|
|
Where in this thread is anything to do with me not understanding music? That isn't what i said at all! Your comment is both personal and incorrect! Did you even read the damn thread? 'If not life in general'??? Jesus, i thought i was a pompous arsehole but i bow to your pompous arseosity! (That was just personal - i own you one)
Also, i actually said 'a lot' (not most) because of personal experience but i admit that is just a guess. I even changed it to 'some' later because 'a lot' is really more of a personal opinion, based on the amount of people that come into forums etc, with names like 'SATAN'S ARSEHOLE' and shout stuff like 'KILLAAAAAH!' all the bleeding time
As for the punk/pop analogy, not sure what your point was but maybe so. Although, thinking about it, and despite the fact that it was originally created (or made big anyway) as a bit of a money-making joke by Malcolm Mclaren et al, conformity was the absolute antithesis of punk! The overriding message of punk was personal freedom and honesty - or in other words - saying exactly what YOU think and not giving a shit. There were even people like Ray Burns (Captain Sensible) who later went on to make some of the most unbelievable, commercial, cheesy pop you ever heard (anyone remember 'Happy Talk') and they are still proud of their work and very well respected.
Ok, i think i've said all i want to say in this thread. Sorry if you thought i was being patronising.
Peace - and big-up massive respect to the den of stinkin' evil
Am i the only one who believes in solipsism? |
|
|
|
Basilisk
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
168
Posts :
2984
Posted : Jul 11, 2005 08:42
|
I don't see what the problem is... even I like this stuff, some of it anyway. It's like any style... pick out the good ones and ignore the bad. And there certainly are some great killers in the darkpsy field (yes I can use that term when it applies). Here's a few that totally rock:
Ocelot - Turn it Up
Kindzadza - Coming Soon
Azax Syndrom - Evil Force
Kerosene Club - Lost Souls Depot
Penta & Megalopsy both have a batch of goodies.
Forget examining everything that comes out - find what's good for you and stick with it. Maybe there's an attitude problem associated with this hard music, but you could make that argument for any style. Lovers of the suomi just wanna be different, people into the prog just wanna be cool and sophisticated, all those crazy kids into psytrance are just following the big trends and of course - if you like 1200 mics you must be a big drug fiend. All rather useless and inaccurate, don't you think?
|
|
|
|
exotic
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
200
Posts :
5057
Posted : Jul 11, 2005 10:43
|
Quote:
|
On 2005-07-10 23:33, ----Dawn---- wrote:
@=((exotic>>>===
Just because you personally consider yourself too smart to conform to others doesn't really add much to your argument. There are people - especially younger people - who DO conform for one reason or another and the opinion that you personally don't, said in an exaggerated and sarcastic manner, doesn't really prove anything - other than you only see things from your point of view.
I'm not saying conforming is bad - in fact it can make life a lot easier in some situations, but people DO look back and regret it as they get older - and do indeed think 'Jesus, wasn’t i a dick!... for not having the guts to stand up and say what i really thought'. How is making that point 'playing god'?
--------
|
|
Well in fact i never said you were playing god and in fact i feel that people part of this forum would not be dumb enough to make that choice of actually pretending to enjoy music that they wouldnt otherwise listen to if given a choice. Yes conformists do exist yes when they have some selfish motives , but why here mate?
but if they do then they are highly imbecilic and need to get about finding this thread for some good counselling
missing plug-in |
|
|
|
|
