do you EQ a hole in the kick to make room for bass?
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 00:13
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On 2009-02-15 23:45, ~d2~ wrote:
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On 2009-02-15 21:43, Colin OOOD wrote:
Yup. A book on how not to assume that people are getting their 'knickers in a twist' when they aren't I'll borrow it from you when you've finished. But no matter.
Colin I also have a book titled "how to spot sarcasm on internet forums", your more than welcome to borrow it.
Thanks, I have an old version but the last chapter is missing. I can spot irony, hubris and flamebait but sarcasm still eludes me sometimes.
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On 2009-02-15 23:55, ~d2~ wrote:
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On 2009-02-15 21:43, Colin OOOD wrote:
They way you're suggesting doing it, if you edit your kickdrum rhythm, do you have to edit other stuff too, or does it automatically follow the kick like sidechaining or peak following would?
Are we talking about psy-trance kickrdums rhythms? But anyways, us seasoned PT users don't sweat over editing.
If your were telling me your psy-trance tracks had no single repeatable bars of kick then I would maybe look at side chain. But some how I seriously doubt that a Psy-trance track is going to involve that much variation of the kick drum.
If you have some examples I would love to hear them.
Good point, but still, surely doing it with automation means editing a whole tune's-worth of data if you want to change the 'sidechain' characteristics? Even with repeated bars there's still fills to be taken into account, and gradual tweaking to hit a sweet spot is surely impossible in the way it is with a plugin. The effect of the actual kick-drum sound on sidechained audio (eg. longer/shorter, more/less bass) isn't taken into account either, I would have thought. Not that there's anything intrinsically wrong with working in the way you want to work, but it just seems to me a particularly long-winded way of going about something that is actually very simple and controllable when you use the appropriate tools (pun not intended).
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 00:17
^^^^ Agreed, fair play if you want to do it with auomation but it's just sooooo much faster to do it with some quick sidechaining.... IMO anywho.
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 00:25
Colin you haven't worked with Protools have you? It really is not a long way. The DAW is very popular in commercial facilities who put a big price on efficiency and work flow.
You don't need to use the FL peak controller thing either, but Elad is.
I am not here to tell anyone that they should do it my way. I have just merely pointed out a different way.
Knowledge is power. I am sure people will benefit more from a wider range of views and opinions.
As for appropriate tools, I threw that one out the window along time ago. I just get bored easily and enjoy stepping out the box from time to time.
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 06:37
just slightly offtopic , untill i configure the video program to the other computer. the next one will include much cooler stuff like my own vocal triggering the synth cutoff etc
wouldnt dream to try draw this automation
segment 7 video nice too..
offcourse im not trying to convience anyone to work with FL or something , its program for kids with awfall sound engine
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Posted : Feb 16, 2009 15:36
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offcourse im not trying to convience anyone to work with FL or something , its program for kids with awfall sound engine
Naaa, fruity loops is basic in some ways, but it has some absolutely brilliant features. If i still had a pc i'd probably still use it in conjunction with other programs, but alas i did not consider that there might not be a mac version when i bought my mac.
Nice video aswel, wish i still had fruity loops to try that out haha.
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 05:37
You might have noticed on real drum kits there is already a hole in the kick drum. Maybe you should put the bass in there.
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Posted : Feb 20, 2009 15:41
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On 2009-02-16 06:37, Elad wrote:
offcourse im not trying to convience anyone to work with FL or something , its program for kids with awfall sound engine
Naaa, fruity loops is basic in some ways, but it has some absolutely brilliant features. If i still had a pc i'd probably still use it in conjunction with other programs, but alas i did not consider that there might not be a mac version when i bought my mac.
Nice video aswel, wish i still had fruity loops to try that out haha.
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offcourse i was joking , its the best DAW imo.
~d2~ , you right its from other topic , but it should work just the same , you cannot draw that envelopes. still trying to make the video with bass and kick.. seems my computer make cracks and pops while recording that video all the time.. any better free prgram for that other then camstudio ?
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 00:17
this thread is rediculous basically yes you can if you want but its not a necessary practice. I myself do it alot but not reall holes just mild dents where the bass can snuggle with its fresh laundry after it get out of the dryer mmm thats warmmmmmm. I also do the same in reverse though dent the bass for the kick and its towels or whatever i said before.
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 14:35
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On 2009-02-15 17:09, bandarlog wrote:
.........the peak controller..... Correct me if I'm wrong but I haven't seen that in any other sequencer/vst.
Look reaper "parameter modulation".
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Posted : Feb 21, 2009 14:56
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On 2009-02-20 05:37, ~d2~ wrote:
You might have noticed on real drum kits there is already a hole in the kick drum. Maybe you should put the bass in there.
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Posted : Feb 25, 2009 15:48
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On 2009-02-13 20:06, aciduss wrote:
You guys are so funny...
But someone should tell the guy you are actually joking about panning.
EQ in kick n bass should be complementary there are no rules, but a few tips:
- Have your kick in the same 'tone' than your bassline note
- Cut kick/bass lowend (-30hz)
- Carefully boost kick's low fq (ej. 65hz)
- Carefully notch kick's mids (400-600hz)
- Bass should be lowpassed to your taste
- Bass can have boosted mids or another basslayer for mid range fqncies
- Make them sound almost perfect before sidechaining them because sidechain can sound so cool but bad EQ will remain
- EQ n compress bass n kick together
- Take time to adjust your kick's n bass note's lenght, it can make a huge difference.
Well my 2 cents... hope that works for 150+ machinegun darkpsy basslines too because is not really my thing :/
Thanx for the advice, how do you tune the kick to the bassline? and what compressor would you use one the kick/bass group channel?
I'll borrow it from you when you've finished. But no matter.
