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do you EQ a hole in the kick to make room for bass?
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 19:31
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you can put it in my bumhole 
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aciduss
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 20:06
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You guys are so funny...
But someone should tell the guy you are actually joking about panning.
EQ in kick n bass should be complementary there are no rules, but a few tips:
- Have your kick in the same 'tone' than your bassline note
- Cut kick/bass lowend (-30hz)
- Carefully boost kick's low fq (ej. 65hz)
- Carefully notch kick's mids (400-600hz)
- Bass should be lowpassed to your taste
- Bass can have boosted mids or another basslayer for mid range fqncies
- Make them sound almost perfect before sidechaining them because sidechain can sound so cool but bad EQ will remain
- EQ n compress bass n kick together
- Take time to adjust your kick's n bass note's lenght, it can make a huge difference.
Well my 2 cents... hope that works for 150+ machinegun darkpsy basslines too because is not really my thing :/ |
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 20:28
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On 2009-02-13 15:59, jizy wrote:
@ elad, the DQ1 AND CQ1 has that ability dosnt it?
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dont know what u talk about hehe i make it with FL peak control
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On 2009-02-13 18:09, ~d2~ wrote:
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On 2009-02-13 17:33, Elad wrote:
if you dont want more then -12DB RMS mastering what u need sidechain or holes for at all..
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Sorry I am not sure what you mean here 
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i meen that all this sort of tricks are baisicly for cleaner sound that makes louder mix possible... no need for sidechain when u not gonna use anything but eq and slight compression on mastering.
sorry to bring that mastering issue evrywhere , its solid part of the music final sound , and seems people not understand what goes on in that process exacly.. to avoid over compression and still be loud you will have to use this tricks such as eq holes and sidechain , wouldnt dream to get that loud results without making those tricks
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splinter
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Posted : Feb 13, 2009 23:47
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snort a line of kick.
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D-Alien
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 00:28
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yeah ELAD this is just Great way! smooth, inteligent and without compromising frequencies for the other 2 or 3 notes after the kik if we just EQ statically.
In FL Peak control is great way to side-chain everything with everything, but how do we make it in other Daws??
the simplest way is just atomize the gain of the lowshelf... but imagine.. we have to write them down all!!! even if we copy it is hard hard work...
In ableton live there is this great function of layering and sublayering FX over the same channle. so it is cool to separate the bass channel in two layers, both feeding with the same signal, on the first we put high cut (300-400hz) filter on the other low cut (aprox same Hz). so we just put agressive sidechain over the high-cut portion which is actually the bass part of our bass. so the sidechain is compressing just those freqs. from 300hz aprox to the lowest, but the middle part of the bass stays intact. this way i can put 4 notes, large notes which run over the kik and there is no distortion  all sounds great.
Of course Elads method is still more simple but how we achieve it in other DAWs... i find that the Blue Cat plugins can achieve dynamic EQing... i will try them tonight to see... they say you can sidechain any of the EQ parameters..
let see..
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 00:43
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Not sure why one has to worry about mastering at this stage. |
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segment 7
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 04:49
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Notch the kick and bass down on't EQ's seperatly at around 300hz and tweak until perfect. Nice and easy, gets rid of those nasty muddy frequencies, lovely Seems to work enough for now anywho...
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br0d
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 05:41
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On 2009-02-12 21:00:13, OpenSourceCode wrote:
or do you cut the bass to make room for the kick?
Right now i'm making some pretty darkpsy with the machinegun bassline, so i was tyring to cut the bass to make some room for the kick, so it's not "floating" on top.
am i crazy?
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First choice is to find a kick and bass that work well together to begin with, based on pitch, body, etc...from there messing with EQ specific sidechaining (the otium compadre is good for this) can be fun and/or productive, however from a workflow standpoint it is usually too obsessive and a waste of time.
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On 2009-02-13 19:16, x-rayz wrote:
yeah main things a kick and bass so try to bump as many processors as u can on them to squash them completly, there are no rules..
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I get kinda angry when I hear bullshit like this. When taking advice on how to make a good bass, listen to the professionals and disregards everyone else because there's a lot of disinformation. One thing I can tell is that the less processsing, the better....sounds are not meant to be 'squashed'. |
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x-rayz
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~d2~
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Love is in the air
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:29
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oops.. sorry bout that x-rayz
Was a bit drunk and didn't read between the lines |
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 16:46
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On 2009-02-14 16:29, Inner Demon wrote:
oops.. sorry bout that x-rayz
Was a bit drunk and didn't read between the lines
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Did your inner demon get the better of you?
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 17:38
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On 2009-02-14 00:28, D-Alien wrote:
In FL Peak control is great way to side-chain everything with everything, but how do we make it in other Daws??
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no i dont know. FL's peak control is nothing like that exist anywhere that i saw.
i think in Logic 8 (mac) u can also 'sidechain' any instrument to any other instrument or effect within single click. gonna be featured in FL 9
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x-rayz
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Posted : Feb 14, 2009 20:39
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On 2009-02-14 16:46, ~d2~ wrote:
Did your inner demon get the better of you?
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Nah bro, I think my inner demons are getting better with me 
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FL's peak control is nothing like that exist anywhere that i saw.
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Well Elad, sorry to disappoint you, I know youre FL freak and all, but that peak controller is nothing special, only thing special about it is the name.. So u intrigued me cause your always talk about that peak controller so I take a look of what it does..
From what I saw, it nothing more than a trigger for a track, meaning, it raises amplitude of one track according to the amplitude of other track.. Its cool though, since u can put trigonometry functions in it and has built in LFO..
So finally, to cut the shit, u can make this in any decent DAW simply by using a gate.. U can make this in ableton with a click of the button, no need to wait for FL 9 or switch to Mac.. Im using that effect mostly when I do the remixes..
But as I said, no need to use all that stuff.. Just pick some kick sample and synthesize your own bass from scratch, that way u dont need to sacrifice the sound with all that processing and u save your CPU for more important stuff.. However, on the other side, french house is all based on sidechaining.. http://www.facebook.com/xrayzproductions
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