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Do you believe in a psychedelic (trance) culture?
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 25, 2011 21:19
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I'm reminded of an experience I had somewhat recently at a party where I met someone who had never been to a psytrance party before who is part of the local pagan community. After the party was over, she commented that we are doing the same thing that people have been doing for thousands of years, but in a slightly different way.
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 25, 2011 22:09
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| So do you believe that psytrance is the only psychedelic music? If yes, you've just set yourself against a generation of Grateful Dead/Pink Floyd/Beatles/Ozric Tentacles etc etc fans... and if 'no', then you contradict yourself when you disagree that psychedelia is in the ear of the beholder. |
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Where do you get this from? I've never said that psytrance is the only psychedelic music, in fact i like a lot of non trance electronica, and non electronica psychedelic music.
The psychedelic experience is very subjective indeed but the set / setting represent maybe half of it so music can enhance or decrease the psychedelic experience.
We can compare it to other art forms as well... looking at the monalisa on acid might be nice but nothing really trippy, now gimme some picasso, escher or dali and mind can begin to fly away... of course painters maybe didn't even think about that when they painted that... that would be the big difference with psytrance i believe most of the psychedelic musicians out there have had an entheogenic experience and create music to be suitable for it.
I don't consider myself to be a narrow mind guy, but if you do it is ok... i know i have a lot to learn and stuff but from my current perspective, taking away the drugs and psychedelic aspect of this culture is ridiculous, simply because it was born from that.
As willsanquil said... this can be seen as the evolution of the ancient shamanic practices, dancing to hypnotic beats while on psychedelic substances to amuse one's self and feel part of the whole, not the only way but one that can give you a much more blasting impact of a given situation. |
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willsanquil
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Posted : Mar 25, 2011 22:21
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... looking at the monalisa on acid might be nice but nothing really trippy, now gimme some picasso, escher or dali and mind can begin to fly away...
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Hate to nitpick, but there's the subjectivity again. I'm sure there is some person out there that has the exact opposite opinion of what you just said.
Anything can be psychedelic. A carpet. Silence. Psytrance. It's all up to you.
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Spaced-out Rastaman
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 02:54
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On 2011-03-25 18:14, Xamanist wrote:
Thanks TranceVisuals for promoting this interesting discussion 
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That's what I was thinking after reading the first posts and then the rest of the discussion.
Nice! 
By the way, I am thinking of the stuff written in this discussion (drug-related and music-related) myself too. And this in my opinion proves that there is indeed a psychedelic culture connected with psy music.
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Jacynth
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 02:58
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On 2011-03-26 02:54, Spaced-out Rastaman wrote:
And this in my opinion proves that there is indeed a psychedelic culture connected with psy music.
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Spaced-out Rastaman
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 03:27
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mudpeople
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 06:17
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well, i believe theres a culture, jsut as there is around any good music styles. People who like it really like it and gravitate towards it and each other and attract others who arent so serious and mainly jsut want a good time (which is fine within reasonability) which can seem like it cheapens the whole gig, makes it less, idk id say less mature. Less intentional, or at least with less, um, thought behind the intent...
Ive been to lots of different parties in lots of different places, and each region has their owon way of partying. They all seem to have the culture of diehards tho, i believe that will always be there, jst as there is a core of true diehards hiding in every socalled mainstream culture.
The culture all over seems to just basically want to have a good time, be comfortable doing so, and dig the music their own way with as little hassle as possible, and jsut seems more inclined to smile reflexively than frown. Whihc is good.
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 07:38
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Yes I belive, and I also love it.
Big hugs to everyone who wants to be part of it.
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TranceVisuals
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Psychedelic isn't "anything or everything" merely in the mind of beholder.
It referes specifically to the sacrament/substance itself, and was quoined specificially for this reason.
Osmond first offered the term "psychedelic" at a meeting of the New York Academy of Sciences in 1957. He said the word meant "mind manifesting" (from "mind", ψυχή (psyche), and "manifest", δήλος (delos)) and called it "clear, euphonious and uncontaminated by other associations." Huxley had sent Osmond a rhyme containing his own suggested invented word: "To make this trivial world sublime, take half a gram of phanerothyme" (thymos meaning 'spiritedness' in Greek.) Osmond countered with "To fathom Hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humphry_Osmond
Silence is only "psychedelic" if you are on psychedelics.
Now you can have a memory of a psychedelic experience, but that doesn't make something psychedelic, merely like a shadow, it is an impression of something not the thing itself.
Simply, if you aren't into psychedelics, whilst you can enjoy psychedelic trance as an outside observer, you can't actually partake of the experience without the sacrament, no matter how shanti you believe yourself to be.
Psychedelic trance is an initiation in the traditional sense, and be initiated whether you like it or not, you need the psychedelic sacrament.
Beat Agency, on the otherhand doesn't seem to be talking about psychedelic trance, but dance/rave culture in general which is final, but I would like to point out that he seems a major dumbass, when I am talking specifically about psychedelic trance culture, not general dance/rave culture. Psychedelic trance culture seems have its own authentic history, as valid and real as the dance/rave culture that BA talk of. And like all things sometimes there weave in and out of each other.
What strikes me as "funny" is how the psychedelic trance culture has room in its hard for the non-psychedelic people (out of respect for a person's own life choices) yet the non-psychedelic community doesn't seem to share this perspective.
I also know a lot of people in the psychedelic (trance) community who also blame this toleration, and open heart policy for "fucking the scene" by letting to many "straights in", with their own notions of reality, who hadn't actually had a psychedelic experience, and thus lacked the commonality of experience I talked at the beginning of this thread. I personally don't share this belief, but I do think the "newcomers", or rather the "voyeurs" should have a lot more respect when coming into anothers "house/temple" e.g. the "psychedelic" community. And if they can't have this respect then they should leave and find their own community, that reflects their ideals.
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goaren
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 10:34
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nice thread
after seeing what people wrote here, i wont comment on that but refer to my own experience as i think its the best way anyone can express his (own) opinion
i started to listed to trance at the age of 12 (1994), i immediately fell in love with this music, it had drawn me away from the rest of the music i heard that time in such a way that i felt this music was different than anything else, i mean at that time i heard pretty much anything a 12 year old would, with all those house/hardcore/rave music back then, and the "normal" music as well - i liked the music for being what it is, but trance had a different effect on me, i could (and did) listen to it for hours, get hooked on the combination of the repetitive kick/bass and melody/what i then referred to as "funky" sounds - i got deeper into this music and listened to trance almost exclusively, a few years later i started going to parties and a whole new different world was exposed to me, so different than the experiences i had in any other setting, but it was just a taste as i had to go to do my 3 year army service and it pretty much cut me out completely of the scene. when i finished my service, i started travelling the world and back to listening to trance, going to parties on small islands in brazil at first (not the big commercial brazilian parties which pretty much just started at that time), and then looking for trance anywhere in south america, and also a nice experience in san francisco on NYE 2006 which was also a completely different experience, and then coming back to israel after 2 years of travelling - got back into the "scene" here... took me a while to find my niche, but i can honestly tell you that the people i met and the experiences i had both in parties here and festivals around the world (esp boom 2008 and ozora 2009) have changed my perspective on many things, made me a much more tolerant and accepting person (something that started with my travels, and consolidated with the party/festival experiences) and i try to reflect/integrate it as much as i can with my day to day life, altho i cant separate who i am in the day to day from who i am in the weekends, as its pretty much woven together - i guess just the extreme parts of me are more apparent in either setting when i am in it
i love what this culture has given me in all senses, and strongly believe this culture exists and is also integrated (tho not fully) with "real life"
last minute edit - i wanted to refer to the drugs part - i personally havent done any until i was 18, and when i did start it had nothing to do with trance nor was i listening to trance when doing them, so i honestly think that this drugs argument is a little off (in the sense that this culture is connected to drugs in an absolute manner) - but that said, i did hear the music differently and enjoyed it in a whole different dimension when being high, on any substance for that matter, each one with its different effect. |
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Jacynth
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 12:51
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On 2011-03-26 02:54, Spaced-out Rastaman wrote:
And this in my opinion proves that there is indeed a psychedelic culture connected with psy music.
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You must abandon this forum.
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Why do you say that?
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sory, i was wrong. you can stay. Thnx. |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 14:55
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On 2011-03-25 20:07, aciduss wrote:
Psytrance is music to get high on psychedelics and enjoy it much more.
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So is Jazz music. John Coltrane took a trip to India with Pharoah Sanders when they wrote the "Om". the took LSD and made music, "free jazz". A style that followed no chord progressions or tempos. Music by Sun Ra, especially The Heliocentric Worlds of Sun Ra (1965), was, in fact, steeped in what could be referred to as a new black mysticism.
SO you see, them people saw free jazz as music to get on high on psychedelics and enjoy it much more. They were actually tripping balls in the studio recording sessions.
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On 2011-03-25 20:49, aciduss wrote:
Hehe i'm not narrow minded bud, of course anyone can enjoy life without aid, but when well used, psychedelics just give a completely different perspective on music and the whole life experience. |
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Same as any music. Really I never imagined John Coltrane's "Ascension" (the album were some critics praised him for and some simply said that he lost his mind from excessive LSD use) would sound the way it did when I heard it after a party still trippin my nuts off, some as Miles Davis' "Kind Of Blue" album, Jimi Hendrix's "Are You Experienced?" and even Soundgarden's "Superunknown" album, especially "4th Of July". So you get the different persepctive on music and the whole life experience...fuck even Donna Summer's "I Feel Love" was a blast! Pretty much anything sounds great on acid and you'd be surprised how many people have been writing music from and for the acid heads. Although it has been embraced from the public a lot more than psytrance.
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On 2011-03-25 20:49, aciduss wrote:
Also I don't agree that what pavel said about psychedelia being in the audience ears... it is not as trippy to listen to, say for example Tango rather than psytrance on acid... |
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I can tell you a lot of psy-trance is as "tripless" as anything you bring up. Goa Gill's sets for example. Never done anything on me even in my heavy "psychonaut" days.
Psychedelia and especially psy-trance, depends on the audience of ears, more than tango music imo.
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Psychedelic trance is crafted from mostly synthetic sounds that resemble the psychedelic state. |
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So is free jazz (which is just one example I bring up as I can only speak of things that I know, I am not trying to say free jazz is more psychedelic than psytrance, genre for genre).
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On 2011-03-25 20:49, aciduss wrote:
It is something about computer music, universe basic principles, mind expanding, mental voyage and such hocus pocus topics that most of jaded guys around reject so much and get pissed when called jaded.
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There is something about the saxophone, piano, drums, up right bass as well...that people before us used to connect to the mental voyages and cosmic principles.
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"Of all the jazz musicians, Sun Ra was probably the most controversial," critic Scott Yanow said, because of Sun Ra's eclectic music and unorthodox lifestyle. Claiming that he was of the "Angel Race" and not from Earth, but from Saturn, Sun Ra developed a complex persona using "cosmic" philosophies and lyrical poetry that made him a pioneer of afrofuturism. He preached awareness and peace above all."
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On 2011-03-25 20:49, aciduss wrote:
Some of us live in a psychedelic state most of the time, even when not on drugs. That is what I believe in, a life style in which psytrance is the soundtrack for a self discovery odyssey.
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I believe that too. Once you stopped taking acid, "the doors in your mind stay open". You're just not tripping balls anymore. You've experienced the effect and hopefully these experiences have broadened your mind and made you a better person. That obviously is not the case every time tho. Some people lose it, and not because of drug abuse. Some people just can't handle seeing through the cracks of the mirror that reflects their image, so its more about the person who takes psychedelics, rather than the drug it self... but that is a whole different subject.
Peace out.
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 15:04
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@ aciduss
I've been there and done that (drug wise) and moved on and still enjoy music and can still go deep into music and trip my balls off without the use of drugs. So you see what you think I don't know I do know.
Difference between you and me is that you have not yet moved on. The day will come and you'll see there's so much more to life than to live a "psychedelic" lifestyle.
Enjoy your Weekend
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aciduss
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Posted : Mar 26, 2011 17:15
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Thank you for your words DH, very refreshing.
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BA: Just don't expect me to look life as you do.
If you have moved on, good for you... i guess you must have a wife and kids and the whole package now... or where have you moved to now? something better than "the psychedelic lifestyle" i asume.
I mean i'd like to know what possible route can a soul take on this world after realizing everything a psychedelic experience can show. I'm 29, don't know your age, if you are older maybe it is just that you have more experience and see all this psycho music and acid gibberish like something you have gone through and now you can act in this magnificent more evolutionary way.
I haven't taken any psychedelics since the mushroom season in August, in fact i don't feel "the call" right now, and i enjoy psytrance very much without any drug use, although i smoke the herb pretty often and like that while listening to psytrance.
So is not like i'm a full time acid head i just see psytrance scene as one of the many psychedelic scenarios for the use and enjoyment of mind blowing substances. And one cannot deny that acid can make you flip and melt on the dancefloor synched to the beat, and perhaps yes you could listen to a tin can being kicked and still find it psychedelic, but for me... in my personal experience i find some acts to be specially psychedelic and designed to be used as a tool for mental influence... that i like, that i want to do.
Have a nice one.
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